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If you are saying the cause of the failures after botched repairs is because the repair had to be made then you are saying that it falling off the hoist, being crashed, bursting into flames because somebody poured gas on it, being crushed by rampaging elephants is the same thing since it wouldn't have been there in the first place. Toyota told them how to do the repair properly, gave them the parts and PAID them to do the work. That is where their responsibility ends. Not so sure why this seems to be so hard to grasp.
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I just bought a new car (370Z) that I intend on kepping for a few years, so I won’t be buying a first or second model year mkII 86. But depending on how it turns out, I might consider adding the 4-5 year ‘mid-life refresh’ version to my shortlist if I’m in the market at that time. Probably not though, I don’t think I’ll go back to a car with less than 300 HP unless it’s something ultra light like an MX-5.
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The risk of sealant being improperly applied when resealing an engine is a much more foreseeable risk. And that risk in fact materialized numerous times during the recall campaign, leading to engine failures.. Why else do you think Toyota/Subaru would have subsequently issued the warning memo on the sealing process? Quote:
By now, I’ve said what I think needed to be said on behalf of the affected owners. If you or others can’t understand that Toyota/Subaru were in the best position to help those owners (from a recall process designed by Toyota/Subaru, carried out by dealers authorized to wear their branding, paid for directly by Subaru/Toyota for a part that Subaru/Toyota admittedly incorrectly designed), then I don’t think I can say anything further.
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Also, there are circumstances where the warranty repair would have been paid for at an independent shop, but it requires the actual faliure of the valve spring to occur. Look, I think S/T SHOULD require their authorized dealers to repair an engine that can clearly be shown to have failed because of the repair. It takes just a few minutes to drop the oil pan, look at the screen and go "yep, somebody screwed up, fix it". I just don't think they have that leverage in their dealer agreements. They can agree to pay for it, but I don't know that they can force them to fix it for free, and that is where the rub is.
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So everyone passes the buck until it's left in the hands of the owner.
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I think that sums it up really well, the parent company and dealer play hot potato and the customer ends up getting screwed. It’s just a crappy system in general. And I’m sure the majority of FR-S/BRZ owners that decided (or were forced to in California) didn’t have any problems after the repair. A bunch of owners outside of CA probably didn’t even get the recall done. Possibly in fear of engine failure. Let’s be honest, a lot of dealerships would wash their hands of the repair after they attempt the fix. Any problems after that the customer will likely pay for (because T/S wouldn’t pay them to do the repair again). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I laughed at the rampaging elephants What about meteor strikes?! Or an alien abducts your car and performs “experiments” on it. Who would cover that?!! I guess you could ask them to get rid of the torque dip Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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That would be nice, but S/T would need to care enough first. Weren’t some parts sent back to Japan to be investigated? Maybe entire engines? That also makes me wonder how the recall was handled in Japan. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I do hope S/T care though. Even though my recall work appears to have gone smoothly, I know of one other guy who went to the same dealership as me and had his engine die after the repair work was completed. Dealership and Toyota both said they wouldn’t help him. Stories like that make me question whether I would ever be an early adopter again, let alone buy another S/T product.
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It sucks that the guys got stuck with it but that is the reality of the situation. If people put half the energy into chasing those dealers instead of trying to get the wrong party to pay they probably would have caved and did what they should have.
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I do believe they care, we probably wouldn’t even have the twins if they didn’t. I think Toyota takes quality control issues very seriously, part of their reputation is built on reliability. It’s unfortunate how some of the early issues were handled though. It may have been handled a little differently if it was strictly a Toyota product. Were the valves and head tuned by Yamaha? I totally understand being hesitant about getting a first year 2nd gen 86, or any S/T product. Confidence in a brand can be lost quickly, especially if it causes any financial burden. You’ve had a great attitude about it all, and I hope you continue to support the 86/BRZ. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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