|
BRZ Second-Gen (2022+) -- General Topics General topics for the second-gen BRZ |
View Poll Results: How would you rate the design of the 2nd gen? 1 lowest & 5 highest | |||
1 | 19 | 7.20% | |
2 | 25 | 9.47% | |
3 | 62 | 23.48% | |
4 | 104 | 39.39% | |
5 | 54 | 20.45% | |
Voters: 264. You may not vote on this poll |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
11-20-2020, 02:27 PM | #575 | |
Rice King
Join Date: Jul 2017
Drives: '19 FWD master race CTR
Location: The land of the North
Posts: 2,887
Thanks: 1,079
Thanked 2,001 Times in 1,203 Posts
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
So what you're telling me is, a car like the ND Miata needs to have a turbo because everything else does. Everything is about power, everything is about 0-60, if you don't have those, your car won't sell. You don't understand this car one bit, and comparing imaginary specs of the 2022 base civic solidifies that. Imagine the day a base civic is faster than an Si.
__________________
Glorious Honda.
Know my 5x120 GREATNESS PEASANTS. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Jordanwolf For This Useful Post: | Tcoat (11-20-2020) |
11-20-2020, 02:36 PM | #576 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Drives: 2013 frs red
Location: South Florida
Posts: 3,517
Thanks: 2,520
Thanked 3,089 Times in 1,654 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
The 86 is the entry model in Toyotas sports car lineup. Subarus have enough problems as it is . Turbo is the last thing this car needs.
|
11-20-2020, 02:52 PM | #577 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Drives: '04 STi, '12 Mazda 3 Hatch
Location: Breckenridge, CO
Posts: 379
Thanks: 30
Thanked 122 Times in 89 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
The BRZ is 500lbs heavier than the Miata and larger with much more cargo space. Also, not a convertible. I don't see it as "like a Miata". And the sales numbers speak for themselves. You don't think the BRZ would sell better with more power, even if it tacked a couple grand to the price? I get what they're going for with this car but it doesn't quite work for me (cuz of altitude) and I'm amazed that management didn't look at sales numbers and the rest of the market and intervene saying, "We need more power to increase sales." That's exactly what they did with the Crosstrek. Note, they didn't force the turbo on Crosstrek buyers. They added it as a second engine choice. Does it not seem like the people making BRZ decisions are in a different building, company, universe than the people making Crosstrek decisions? |
|
11-20-2020, 02:56 PM | #578 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Drives: 2013 frs red
Location: South Florida
Posts: 3,517
Thanks: 2,520
Thanked 3,089 Times in 1,654 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Lantanafrs2 For This Useful Post: |
11-20-2020, 03:03 PM | #579 |
TRACKBREAD
Join Date: Mar 2016
Drives: 2013 BRZ
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,929
Thanks: 2,660
Thanked 4,024 Times in 1,895 Posts
Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut
Turboing a High compression car used to be sketchy. You had a fixed lift valve train, variable duration at best, pretty imprecise port injection and a slow 8bit ecu. We used to have to richen the mix to ensure we didn’t pre-ignite because injection systems just weren’t that precise.
Now we have super fast 64bit ECUs with literally over 10X more computing power than before. They can react ridiculously fast to changing engine conditions. We have variable lift AND duration which we can use to alter the CR on the fly. We have incredibly precise direct injection systems that can have the car run within half a percent of a stoichiometric reagent mix (14.7/1 air/gasoline). It’s a whole different ballgame now. With modern ECUs, valvetrains, and injection systems you can force feed a high compression engine, as long as you’re not tuning them like we’re in the 90s. Last edited by Yoshoobaroo; 11-20-2020 at 03:15 PM. |
11-20-2020, 03:09 PM | #580 | |
Reformed
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: '23 GRC, '11 Prius, '04 RAV4
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 1,315
Thanks: 1,236
Thanked 1,133 Times in 588 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
more power really won't mean crap, it would still be slower than the muscle cars in a straight line and even if they kept the pricing the same, for a monthly payment which is I'm sure how most folks pay their cars, it doesn't take much more to get something with 8 cylinders.. as for sales, think toyota was relatively happy..yes it slowed down significantly but overall the twins have easily become their best selling sports car ever..to me they checked off all the complaint boxes for updating the first gen while staying with original intent of being NA.. |
|
11-20-2020, 03:09 PM | #581 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Drives: '17 Limited BRZ CWP w/ PP
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 5,782
Thanks: 14,058
Thanked 6,479 Times in 3,211 Posts
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
__________________
Instagram: @spike.brz
Quote:
|
|
11-20-2020, 03:17 PM | #582 | |
Rice King
Join Date: Jul 2017
Drives: '19 FWD master race CTR
Location: The land of the North
Posts: 2,887
Thanks: 1,079
Thanked 2,001 Times in 1,203 Posts
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
If they ever intended to sell more BRZ/86 than what they have, it'd have 4 doors, more clearance, AWD, and likely be placed in the crossover segment. Yet, with their current sales, they found it feasible to create a second gen. I'm going to trust Subaru/Toyota on this one, not someone on a internet forum that can't even cite where they got 2022 base civic being more than 228hp besides saying "Jalopnik"..
__________________
Glorious Honda.
Know my 5x120 GREATNESS PEASANTS. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Jordanwolf For This Useful Post: | Ohio Enthusiast (11-20-2020) |
11-20-2020, 03:20 PM | #583 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: 2018 BRZ
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 916
Thanks: 1,377
Thanked 775 Times in 439 Posts
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Splitting by rough price point is probably the best way to segment the market, hence the Miata, Twins and 370z are typically lumped together, despite being pretty different cars. I actually cross-shopped the Miata and the BRZ, and was seriously considering a 370z in the comparison as well. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Quote:
Granted, high altitude does bring out the worst in NA engines, but that's a pretty tiny market. Would you expect the car to come stock with studded winter tires to cater for Finland's ice racers? |
||
The Following User Says Thank You to Ohio Enthusiast For This Useful Post: | Jordanwolf (11-20-2020) |
11-20-2020, 03:30 PM | #584 | |
Pavement Grey
Join Date: Dec 2011
Drives: 2020 Toyota 86 GT, 2017 BMW X1
Location: Calgary
Posts: 3,088
Thanks: 109
Thanked 2,223 Times in 1,205 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
|
|
11-20-2020, 03:33 PM | #585 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Drives: 2017 Toyota 86
Location: Ohio
Posts: 102
Thanks: 64
Thanked 87 Times in 48 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Tell that to Mazda, they're literally building engines designed to work on the very edge of knocking with boosted 14:1 or higher compression ratios in the Skyactiv-X engines. As @Yoshoobaroo said, modern electronic controls have made it possible to reliably turbo pretty much anything so long as you have good gas and a good knock sensor.
|
The Following User Says Thank You to anticubus For This Useful Post: | Yoshoobaroo (11-20-2020) |
11-20-2020, 03:35 PM | #586 | |
1st86 Driver!
Join Date: Feb 2012
Drives: '13 FR-S (#3 of 1st 86)
Location: Powder Springs, GA
Posts: 19,818
Thanks: 38,836
Thanked 24,949 Times in 11,380 Posts
Mentioned: 182 Post(s)
Tagged: 4 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Maybe I cross shop differently than other folks though.
__________________
Olivia 05/03/2012 - 01/06/2024. 231,146 glorious miles.
Visit my Owner's Journal where I wax philosophic on all things FR-S Post your 86 or see others in front of a(n) (in)famous landmark. What fits in your 86? Show us the "Junk In Your Trunk". Last edited by Dadhawk; 11-20-2020 at 03:59 PM. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Dadhawk For This Useful Post: | Jordanwolf (11-20-2020) |
11-20-2020, 03:35 PM | #587 | |
Rice King
Join Date: Jul 2017
Drives: '19 FWD master race CTR
Location: The land of the North
Posts: 2,887
Thanks: 1,079
Thanked 2,001 Times in 1,203 Posts
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Can I have: 'what is a downshift for 100 points please'
__________________
Glorious Honda.
Know my 5x120 GREATNESS PEASANTS. |
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Jordanwolf For This Useful Post: | Dadhawk (11-20-2020), Dzmitry (11-23-2020), Ohio Enthusiast (11-20-2020), Tcoat (11-20-2020), Willpower (11-20-2020) |
11-20-2020, 03:38 PM | #588 | |
Pavement Grey
Join Date: Dec 2011
Drives: 2020 Toyota 86 GT, 2017 BMW X1
Location: Calgary
Posts: 3,088
Thanks: 109
Thanked 2,223 Times in 1,205 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Next thing you'll tell me is that a downshift can be done more than once! |
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Sasquachulator For This Useful Post: |
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
2022 Subaru WRX Spy Shots via Car and Driver | R_E_L | Other Vehicles & General Automotive Discussions | 232 | 01-03-2023 01:23 PM |
2017 BRZ Hig Res - Courtesy Subaru Global Media | Trap63 | BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics | 10 | 07-11-2016 09:53 AM |
Subaru global brz web page | Gaen | BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics | 4 | 06-15-2012 01:32 AM |
Subaru FT-86/216a news: Subaru Confirms Rear-Drive Coupe Debut for Geneva Motor Show | C-Bone | BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics | 39 | 03-24-2011 09:22 AM |
FT-86 makes UK debut at Goodwood Moving Motor Show | Hachiroku | FR-S & 86 Photos, Videos, Wallpapers, Gallery Forum | 28 | 07-09-2010 02:57 PM |