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I don't know why everyone is so hung up on the FA series anyway. It is not that great.
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BUT, I feel like the 86 really should have the 8AR-FTS engine. I mean, the bore/stroke is 86.0mm, it's already made by Toyota/Lexus in a RWD platform. Just needs a MT. (and yes, I realize the chassis would probably benefit from some reworking...but they are already planning to do this for a 2nd gen...right?) It's not something I've really put much research into, because my opinion really won't affect anything. But what can I say. I would rather the car came with a Toyota engine, (and from a Toyota factory...) and that one is a proper 2 liter making a healthy power number, and seems it could fit the bill without "starting research from scratch" as I recall people saying Toyota would have to do to have an engine that would work in the twins. But...again, I realize I'm pretty uninformed about the whole thing. But that's the whole point of the internet...I can have an opinion based off limited facts and information and make bold statements about what SHOULD BE...
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Better than an EJ though!
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Yeah I agree, I have been working on one lately. I'd like to see them get away from a Subie engine, but it is not going to happen with the continued partnership.
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1. I've talked with few engineers from Toyota side and they're still baffled on why Subaru to making the way they're making their engine. Engine is so unbalanced. Even in US, engine shops have seen huge difference in weight in each cylinders. Hell, if Honda engineers see it, they'll laugh at how bad it is. Even GR engineers stated that, if they fully build engine FA20 the way Toyota build it, it can easily push 220 safely and proven that w 86GRMN. But Subaru doesn't not want to change the way they build the engine (for cost cutting or whatever) they'll make hit or miss engine aka ticking bomb. It took long time to Tada-san tell them how to build this FA engine. They didn't want to hear what he gotta say, but had to listen. Now, they use that knowledge to make FA20DIT, which I would say damn good engine. BUT that information was giving from Toyota side, so you can take it as a grain of salt... I feel like history of EJ engine pretty much proven this. BUT that can be said the same w Toyota US dealership mech too, so Toyota can't really say much lol 2. List stock Subaru 4 cylinder boxer engine that's over 2L that have higher rpm than FA20 or EJ20. I'll wait. Cuz there aren't any. Even the famous 22B (EJ22) can't rev higher than EJ20. Look at JDM STI vs USDM STI redline. Yeah... it's different for sure, cuz JDM uses EJ207 vs USDM uses EJ257. That 0.5L make HUGE difference. So IDK why ppl are so hyped about FA24 gonna be equipped in next gen. Technically, FA24 was build for heavy car aka having ton of power low end w no power high end. Of course, that can be changed, but Subaru gonna change THAT much difference? Hm... questionable. Subaru's boxer engine already dying at high end from NA form adding extra 0.4L with extra weight on the car is like making fat person sprint. Don't get me wrong, you'll feel a lot more tq than current 86, but what do you get at the high end? Nothing. Oh wait, after tq dip, you got +-1k rpm til it'll hit the redline. Oh~ you thought tq dip was only FA thing? FA20 causes more tq dip than other Subaru boxer engine due to switch of DI to PI, but tq dip is in EVERY Subaru boxer engine. Recently Subaru is hiding it well w turbo spooling early. With that said, take my info as a grain of salt. I don't have ALL the info of next gen. All I can say is adding power or spec on the paper isn't always the answer. This car, 86/BRZ was the example of that. Now, greedy people want a bit of juice from this car is making this car isn't what made this car is. Not everything is bad from next gen (I've heard few good infos), but we can only hope and guestimate. |
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But @ichitaka05 - you can make a larger displacement run to higher RPMs, you just need to design it correctly. Proper manifold design, cam profiles, etc. Displacement by itself doesn't determine max RPM.. however heavy pistons won't work well at higher RPM
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Its built to a low price point (unless you try to buy a new one). My car performs satisfactorily at this point but my old mr2 felt better to me even though it would be trounced by my frs. I'll never be a Subaru fan after owning this car.
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Oh believe me, I don't think there's any remote chance that it happens. I'm saying what I think makes more sense. Toyota builds better, more reliable engines (IMO). The posts in between my last post and this one seem to point to Toyota wanting a better engine (or at least better balanced version of the Subaru engine), and Subaru really not caring that their design isn't so great. I just wish we'd get an engine from the manufacturer that cares about the quality of their engines.
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I’ll be honest, tech on FA engine (FA20DIT, FA24 & so on). Toyota did give good amount of knowledge... but not enough. Sadly Subaru didn’t applying all of em. If they did, they would of kept 2 liter pushing 220 or even 230hp instead of 2.4 liter w 217 or whatever articles are claiming
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If Toyota was going to make the car you want they would have done it in the first place. They are not going to all of a sudden do it themselves.
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