Totally off topic but... BRZ tS or Civic Type R? O_O

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Current Bid: $200,000

Auction: 2017 Honda Civic Type R #01

I'll laugh when I see that car up for sale again in six or seven years for $20,000, and nobody will buy it.

Well it is a charity auction and that always sort of artificially raises the bid values since some are just donating as opposed to actually wanting what they are bidding on.


It is the actual first production vehicle so:


If it is NEVER driven...
If it is maintained in PERFECT condition...
If they sell really REALLY well...
If it is FEATURED in a movie or video game....
If the buyer WAITS long enough...


It MIGHT be worth good money. Just maybe.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by guybo

My point it is, a similarly performing car could be made from a base civic. Don't be a dope.

No... your point was...

Originally Posted by guybo

I could buy a base model of either of these cars and spend the difference on mods and make them perform better than the upgraded variant.

You could obviously build a "better" or similar car from the base... but definitely not for the same price.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is the actual first production vehicle so:


If it is NEVER driven...
If it is maintained in PERFECT condition...
If they sell really REALLY well...
If it is FEATURED in a movie or video game....
If the buyer WAITS long enough...

It'll be worth exactly $17 more than Type R #15 or #40, which will never again reach more than 1/4 of its original value after inflation. It's not really a special vehicle. It's a four door, front wheel drive Honda Civic. Special versions of dumpy economy cars don't magically become investment grade vehicles.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

It'll be worth exactly $17 more than Type R #15 or #40, which will never again reach more than 1/4 of its original value after inflation. It's not really a special vehicle. It's a four door, front wheel drive Honda Civic. Special versions of dumpy economy cars don't magically become investment grade vehicles.

LOL I normally would agree but if it becomes a cult classic then it may surprise us. Most certainly not a surprise in excess of $200K but still a surprise.
I also repeat that it is a charity auction. I doubt that the bids are so high because somebody thinks they have an investment vehicle and if they do they will be the ones in for a suprise.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

It'll be worth exactly $17 more than Type R #15 or #40, which will never again reach more than 1/4 of its original value after inflation. It's not really a special vehicle. It's a four door, front wheel drive Honda Civic. Special versions of dumpy economy cars don't magically become investment grade vehicles.

So lets take a 2001 Integra Type R, retailed for $24k, put 63k miles on it, some mediocre mods, plug that into an inflation calculator and lets see, yeah you're right nobody would ever pay $34k for that thing, $8k is probably a stretch!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-acura-integra-2/

lol

[GTHachiRoku]

I'm actually contemplating getting one if I can find one.
I've been kind of sad lately only getting to enjoy my car when I'm alone (two little kids and no easy way for wife and I to just take off in the BRZ )

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by GTHachiRoku

I'm actually contemplating getting one if I can find one.
I've been kind of sad lately only getting to enjoy my car when I'm alone (two little kids and no easy way for wife and I to just take off in the BRZ )

But on the other hand just how hard are you willing to push any car with two little kids and a wife in it with you?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But on the other hand just how hard are you willing to push any car with two little kids and a wife in it with you?

The point is that they're not in it all the time...



Besides, family bonding

Think I've only seen one review so far, and it was that the daily ride quality was not jarring, probably looking to slot inbetween the Golf R and the FoRS/STI which is probably a good place to position it.

If I was hunting for a 'family' car and had the money this would probably be pretty high on the list... hell maybe in 5 years this will be my family car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by GTHachiRoku

I'm actually contemplating getting one if I can find one.
I've been kind of sad lately only getting to enjoy my car when I'm alone (two little kids and no easy way for wife and I to just take off in the BRZ )

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The point is that they're not in it all the time...

Besides, family bonding

Think I've only seen one review so far, and it was that the daily ride quality was not jarring, probably looking to slot inbetween the Golf R and the FoRS/STI which is probably a good place to position it.

If I was hunting for a 'family' car and had the money this would probably be pretty high on the list... hell maybe in 5 years this will be my family car.

So he can only enjoy the FRS when his family not with him and that changes how?


Agreed that it would be a far superior family car but if he can only enjoy it when by himself then there is no benefit in changing.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

So he can only enjoy the FRS when his family not with him and that changes how?

Agreed that it would be a far superior family car but if he can only enjoy it when by himself then there is no benefit in changing.

Oh come on, do you really not understand the appeal of owning one car? Or having two vastly different cars? And that you don't have to be driving at 10/10ths to enjoy a car? Hell if anything one of the most satisfying things about my 86 is just driving it around town and rowing the gears, I found a second review where the journalist basically had an orgasm describing the gearbox in the CTR.

Sometimes a car can put a smile on your face just taking off sedately from a stoplight and staying 2 under the speed limit.

[HimBRZ]

Don't know if I'll ever be able to justify THAT MUCH money for such an UGLY car.
Did you know there's an opening in one of the many grills and vents just so the horn will be exposed to meet regulations?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Oh come on, do you really not understand the appeal of owning one car? Or having two vastly different cars? And that you don't have to be driving at 10/10ths to enjoy a car? Hell if anything one of the most satisfying things about my 86 is just driving it around town and rowing the gears, I found a second review where the journalist basically had an orgasm describing the gearbox in the CTR.

Sometimes a car can put a smile on your face just taking off sedately from a stoplight and staying 2 under the speed limit.

LOL I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. We don't know that the FRS is the only car and his complaint was that he could ONLY enjoy the FRS when he was by himself. If he could ONLY enjoy it when by himself then what is the benefit of replacing it with another that still has to be driven under the same conditions?
I agree 100% with all your points.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by GTHachiRoku

I'm actually contemplating getting one if I can find one.
I've been kind of sad lately only getting to enjoy my car when I'm alone (two little kids and no easy way for wife and I to just take off in the BRZ )

If I was in your position, I'd consider a used E90 M3 sedan instead.

- Better looking car
- Nicer interior / much more refined
- 414 hp, great sounding V-8, RWD
- Not impossible to find
- Equally adept bringing wife to a nice restaurant or taking to track day

Plus you'll have a few thousand left over for repairs and maintenance.

[GTHachiRoku]

Yeah, anything I get would definitely be a 2nd vehicle. The BRZ would be fully track dedicated at that point. I go back and forth between many different scenarios.

Heck, a truck would be super convenient. I've definitely thought about a more luxurious sports car as well (like the M3 sedan).

I think my problem is I'd have 100 cars if I could afford to and had the room.