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A forlorn hope since the mkII development is allegedly all Subaru, with less Toyota involvement than the mkI. Same platform allegedly, which means another Subaru boxer 4 is all but guaranteed.
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08-12-2020, 06:32 PM | #1514 |
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08-12-2020, 09:18 PM | #1515 |
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Huh? That's the opposite of what happened. Subaru was dragged kicking and screaming to the rwd platform.
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subaru had built up a solid marketing campaign over the previous 5-10 years that everything they sold was AWD. i remember laughing at the first subaru commericial that came out after the brz debuted in 2012 and the AWD byline was suddenly missing.
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08-13-2020, 02:35 AM | #1520 |
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im fine with the subaruness:
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(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...
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UPDATE: I may have interpreted the original article wrong, see here: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...postcount=1535 Subaru’s account of the early development is very different to the marketing story that Toyota decided to dream up and publish. I’ll find the source materials for my claim, it’ll take me a while though because it’s buried somewhere in 2011. Basically Subaru had already built their first iteration of the AS1 chassis when talks with Toyota on starting the partnership were happening. That’s the black ugly mule i posted earlier. -This chassis was probably commissioned by Toyota and built by Subaru to aid Tada's argument for a sports car over an SUV- The whole story on how Toyota decided the styling of the car also has a massive caveat to it: they styled the car around the already completed chassis and hard points, so the shape of the car is much more defined by the shape of the unibody than Toyota wanted to admit. Toyota did not design this car from a blank slate, they draped sheet metal over the Subaru chassis (modified Impreza chassis really). The more I find about early development quotes from both sides the more I am convinced the whole 50/50 effort on designing the car is a load of Toyota marketing BS. From what I found the earliest material seems to indicate that the lionshare of the engineering design and testing was done by Subaru. Here’s a link that has some sparse info on the early development, But it’s mostly focused on the driving impression of the final prototypes. I’ll keep looking for the article I mentioned. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ototype-drive/ Another one: Quote:
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https://www.media.subaru-global.com/en/news/1220 https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...aru-parent-fhi And as far it concerns the engineering, I could say that the engine was basically redesigned by Toyota with a bit of help from Yamaha. Transmission and rear differential is also Toyota with basically same differential part numbers used in Lexus cars. Same about the interior and exterior design which was driven by Toyota. |
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Yoshoobaru I think it’s a little eye opening to dig into the full development of the twins. But I think it’s clear the twins absolutely would not exist without Toyota. What were Subaru’s plans with the AS1 concept?! Make a smaller AWD Impreza?
I think the twins are the product of a marriage of two really awesome car companies, that both have their strengths and weaknesses. It’s clear that Subaru provided the chassis, motor, brakes, etc Also many of the interior pieces feel like Subaru parts to me. Which I think is great because I have always liked the ergonomics of their interiors, and their sports seats. But Toyota also contributed some very critical parts of the car, and it wouldn’t be a dedicated RWD sports coupe without their involvement. The fact is Toyota can do things Subaru can’t. The combination of Toyota and Subaru is a match made in heaven for me. I really hope they continue to work together on the 2nd gen twins and possibly other cars. The pairing of Toyota and BMW.......ehhhh, it feels like a marriage for political gain or something. There is no real passion shared between the two companies. The BMW people didn’t even let the Toyota employees in their office when they first met. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Someplace between the Subaru claims (which I have never heard before) and the Toyota development story (which I know very well) is the probable truth of who did what and when. There is far more "normal" Toyota in the car than many think. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71898
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https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...=130611&page=2 Its hard to really get a sense of scale, but i would think the hoodline would need to be higher than shown on the 86 mule to fit an I4 without a hood bulge. |
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