Video: Toyota GR86 SPIED for the First Time!

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Vides990

I agree with all that but it doesn't change the fact it also covers the requests of all the "shortfalls" people complained about with the 86. You guys just came up with new shortfalls and reasons not to like it. Not to mention, a manual probably is coming, its just gonna be a ~2023 model.

I wouldn't call it a "shortfall" on the 86. I just think it would be nice to see a second engine choice on a lighter and more affordable chassis like the 86 and why I think it makes more sense vs watering down your flagship which has been met with a lot of negative and mix reaction.

Like I said the issue with doing it on the Zupra is it is still to heavy and expensive. There is only so much you can do to lower the price tag. I don't blame the car itself. The whole 2.0 was an after thought. Paraphrasing, but Tada pretty much admitted it when he said the idea didn't happen until half way into the 3.0's R&D. Let's be real here for a moment. It really only exist because of places like the EU and Japan.

Sure it is. I'll believe it when it happens. Just like how the next 86 will be going turbo. :p

[Vides990]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I wouldn't call it a "shortfall" on the 86. I just think it would be nice to see a second engine choice on a lighter and more affordable chassis like the 86 and why I think it makes more sense vs watering down your flagship which has been met with a lot of negative and mix reaction.

Again, you can think that, but it clearly doesn't make financial sense for them to do.

[/QUOTE] Sure it is. I'll believe it when it happens. Just like how the next 86 will be going turbo. :p[/QUOTE]

If the 400z actually comes out and has one while not completely sucking like the current car, Toyota will be forced to add it or they'll lose the small number of buyers they already get on the supra. It wouldn't surprise me if they put the manual only on the 4 banger though. Same reason why they're already quietly telling people the GRMN supra will be coming to close the line down, in that segment they know they have to upgrade to stay competitive for buyers.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Vides990

https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza/index.html
18.6k, thats what it starts at.

No. The WRX has not been based on the Impreza platform for many years so the Imp hasn't been a non turbo WRX for that period. . The Impreza moved on and left the poor old WRX behind. One of the reasons the WRX is so cheap now is that they just kept reskinning the same old platform for a couple of decades. Hell even the engine was ancient. Now they are doing the same thing to the Twins.

Other than that all of your points are completely valid and real even though people don't want to hear it.

[Vides990]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No. The WRX has not been based on the Impreza platform for many years so the Imp hasn't been a non turbo WRX for that period. . The Impreza moved on and left the poor old WRX behind. One of the reasons the WRX is so cheap now is that they just kept reskinning the same old platform for a couple of decades. Hell even the engine was ancient. Now they are doing the same thing to the Twins.

Other than that all of your points are completely valid and real even though people don't want to hear it.

Fair enough. I thought I had read that whole separation of the Impreza and wrx was more a nameplate/marketing thing then an actual divorce chassis wise. Which is why with the last generation and now the new ones coming we got the Impreza ~ 2 yrs before the WRX and then ~ 3 yrs for the sti. All good though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HKz

right we're on the same side I'm only questioning your assessment on how important the size of the market is to Toyota. They have killed off plenty of other models like the FJC & Venza that were actually selling boatloads at the end of their lives in comparison to how many twins that were sold in the last few years combined.. So even if it ends with this new variant and no one buys it, it is still quite respectable for Toyota to do something different when they could've probably left the twins in their original state even before the 17+ updates and no one would've batted an eye.

I have never said that I felt they should appease the masses and make millions of them. In fact I would hate that. I said "If they wanted to sell more of them". They can't support declining numbers forever. The first 3 years these cars sold like mad. It was easy since there was no used base to compete with. You can almost see the exact month that all the first leases came up for sale since the new sales started to drop off. As more used came up the fewer new they made and sold. They knew it would happen and planned production numbers around it.
So, now go take a look at the sales numbers when the 17s came out. They took a nosedive and never really came back to any real decent numbers.
How many times do you think that can happen before they just pack it in?
They NEED good numbers to keep making it no matter how much .000001% of the driving population likes them.
The whole thing is that they know perfectly well what they are planning while we still don't even know a single fact about the next much less what will or will not follow that. Even these small changes cost them millions and if the costs are not covered the shareholders will eventually say "ENOUGH".
No they are not looking to make money on them but contrary to the marketing hype and fanboi wet dreams they are not making them for some altruistic "we just love sports cars" reason either.
All in all if they just keep shoehorning very similar cars into the market they will run out of interested buyers and that will be that.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Vides990

Fair enough. I thought I had read that whole separation of the Impreza and wrx was more a nameplate/marketing thing then an actual divorce chassis wise. Which is why with the last generation and now the new ones coming we got the Impreza ~ 2 yrs before the WRX and then ~ 3 yrs for the sti. All good though.

Well I probably exaggerated with "decades" but they have had little in common for a couple of gens now.

The new global platform will be used for everything so even when the WRX switches over it will still not be an Impreza any more than it is an Outlander or even Ascent. My wife had one of the first Imprzeas on the new platform and I have really high hopes for the WRX/STi!

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Vides990

Again, you can think that, but it clearly doesn't make financial sense for them to do.

If the 400z actually comes out and has one while not completely sucking like the current car, Toyota will be forced to add it or they'll lose the small number of buyers they already get on the supra. It wouldn't surprise me if they put the manual only on the 4 banger though. Same reason why they're already quietly telling people the GRMN supra will be coming to close the line down, in that segment they know they have to upgrade to stay competitive for buyers.

I never said it did. Yup, just rambling on about a pipe dream.

I guess we'll see.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

The biggest question still remains – what’s under the hood? Consensus is that it’ll be a 2.4 engine.

what if the current 2.0 will continue on? a bunch of people have mention that a 2.4 liter would be a death sentence for the 86 in markets that have engine displacement taxes such as Europe.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No. The WRX has not been based on the Impreza platform for many years so the Imp hasn't been a non turbo WRX for that period.

Subaru says this, and - at face value - they’re right. But look beneath the sheet metal and the amount of components they still share is still substantially high lol

[Kiske]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

When I see an non-repairable A80 at Copart or IAAI I tell my friends my resale just went up by a buck. :p

Insurance also goes up a buck.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Kiske

Insurance also goes up a buck.

Nah, I switched to Geico and saved $120.

[Ultramaroon]

Finally put the third brake light in the right place. Took them long enough.

[dpfarr]

I wish the Toyota sports car line was more interested in the RC (F). I can’t afford one or a Supra but playing devil’s advocate if a fi twin is competition to the Supra, then end its production and get on with the RC being the more expensive 2 door.

[Raven86Project]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Based on the conversation up to this point, I think I can solve everyone's problem. This car I am going to offer you is under $25K, has a manual, 300hp, it's a coupe with 4 seats, nothing you don't want, a spacious truck, low cost to insure, and it is quite efficient.



I know the badge scares a lot of people, but this is the car you all keep bringing up without saying it. Just give in. Go for a test drive and take advantage of the incentives.

Way too big. Too heavy, 5" taller than the 86 and aesthetically very unappealing. It has a lot of heritage but I really don't feel the connection with it. These are some of my honest reasons of why I would not consider the Mustang over the current or future 86. But ngl, I'm a JDM fanboy