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Old 04-07-2021, 01:24 PM   #1
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Motor1's Gen 1 vs Gen 2 visual comparison

https://www.motor1.com/news/499481/t...omparison/amp/

Check the link and see for yourself.

My notable observations;
-the rearview mirrors are significantly bigger.. why!?
-no more sharp lines in the double bubble rooftop
-the nose comes down further on gen 2
-the exhaust sits higher in the body of the bumper.
-the gen 2 trunk opening is much smaller (contributing to part of that big leap in structural rigidity I'm assuming)
-what would be considered the rear approach angle is so much greater in the gen 2. Exposes the muffler too much in my opinion

Not complaining, just observations, I like the new look overall
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:08 PM   #2
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-what would be considered the rear approach angle is so much greater in the gen 2. Exposes the muffler too much in my opinion
This was a problem in the first generation too as far as I am concerned. Quickly fixed by the $50 knock off rear diffuser; all-in-all a diffuser gives the rear a much more "complete" look. Amazing that the official diffuser cost over $800... that must have been some really special plastic!

BTW- I doubt the factory diffuser has any real benefit other than cosmetics!
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This was a problem in the first generation too as far as I am concerned. Quickly fixed by the $50 knock off rear diffuser; all-in-all a diffuser gives the rear a much more "complete" look. Amazing that the official diffuser cost over $800... that must have been some really special plastic!

BTW- I doubt the factory diffuser has any real benefit other than cosmetics!
That was one of the first things I did with the FRS. Couldn't stand the view up under there when walking up from behind so a cheap EBay part screwed on was in order. The new one will be even worse but no doubt the aftermarket will fill that gap quickly.
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Wow this is actually a really cool way to view the differences. Being able to slide left and right gives a unique perspective, props to Motor1
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+window belt line is ever so slightly higher in gen 2 especially closer to the A pillar (that little triangle shaped glass seems smaller), perhaps that had some influence in sideview mirror size.

best difference to me is the relocation of the 3rd brake light I won't have to delete it like I did on my twins lol
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https://www.motor1.com/news/499481/t...omparison/amp/

Check the link and see for yourself.

My notable observations;
-the rearview mirrors are significantly bigger.. why!?
-the nose comes down further on gen 2
-the exhaust sits higher in the body of the bumper.
-what would be considered the rear approach angle is so much greater in the gen 2. Exposes the muffler too much in my opinion

Not complaining, just observations, I like the new look overall
I wonder if that's just a subtle difference in the angle of the photos due to a different photographer.
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Old 04-10-2021, 11:26 AM   #7
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https://www.motor1.com/news/499481/t...omparison/amp/

Check the link and see for yourself.

My notable observations;
-the rearview mirrors are significantly bigger.. why!?
-no more sharp lines in the double bubble rooftop
-the nose comes down further on gen 2
-the exhaust sits higher in the body of the bumper.
-the gen 2 trunk opening is much smaller (contributing to part of that big leap in structural rigidity I'm assuming)
-what would be considered the rear approach angle is so much greater in the gen 2. Exposes the muffler too much in my opinion

Not complaining, just observations, I like the new look overall
Because this isn't a rally car with tiny mirrors for formality, this is a daily driver, and big mirrors are awesome in everyday driving situations.
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Old 04-10-2021, 09:22 PM   #8
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I wonder if that's just a subtle difference in the angle of the photos due to a different photographer.
I agree, I think there is a bit of camera angle and zoom differences that could certainly explain some of the things.

For example the inside view shows the rear vision mirror smaller.
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Wow this is actually a really cool way to view the differences. Being able to slide left and right gives a unique perspective, props to Motor1
I was also impressed by this feature. Being able to compare it by sliding left and right was really amazing!
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Wow didn't realize how strongly I preferred the gen 1 styling until I saw this website. I'm hoping it's just the camera angle or lens on those shots, but the gen 2 looks taller and narrower overall.

Pretty cool comparison shots.
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Wow didn't realize how strongly I preferred the gen 1 styling until I saw this website. I'm hoping it's just the camera angle or lens on those shots, but the gen 2 looks taller and narrower overall.

Pretty cool comparison shots.
Comparison shots are not comparable, different focal lengths. Most pics I've seen, 2nd gen looks lower to me and same width. Published specs show it 0.4" lower at 51.6" vs. 52.0" and same width as gen1 at 69.9".
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Comparison shots are not comparable, different focal lengths. Most pics I've seen, 2nd gen looks lower to me and same width. Published specs show it 0.4" lower at 51.6" vs. 52.0" and same width as gen1 at 69.9".
I donít think itís anything in the physical dimensions. Either camera lens/angles or, now that Iím looking at the pictures again, the styling details. The 1st gen headlights and the shape of the front fender arches gives the front end a wider/lower look. Same with the rear where the 2nd gen tail lights, rear fender cutouts and trunk shape give it a narrower look.

The real test will be what they look like out in the real world though.
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I donít think itís anything in the physical dimensions. Either camera lens/angles or, now that Iím looking at the pictures again, the styling details.
Camera focal lenghths are *very* different. The 2nd gen is with more of a telephoto lens, 1st gen with more wide-angle, which is why the front fenders seem to bulge out wider.


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The 1st gen headlights and the shape of the front fender arches gives the front end a wider/lower look.
Not saying these pics should be compared, but for sure the 1st gen fenders look taller and higher to me. I drew horizontal lines in for each at the external fender peaks and also at the peaks of the wheelwell openings on the sides, 2nd gen pic is lower at both. At the rear, the tails and hips again look to me to be same height or lower on the 2nd gen. But again, these pics are not really good basis for comparison!

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Yup! Looking forward to it...
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Camera focal lenghths are *very* different. The 2nd gen is with more of a telephoto lens, 1st gen with more wide-angle, which is why the front fenders seem to bulge out wider.




Not saying these pics should be compared, but for sure the 1st gen fenders look taller and higher to me. I drew horizontal lines in for each at the external fender peaks and also at the peaks of the wheelwell openings on the sides, 2nd gen pic is lower at both. At the rear, the tails and hips again look to me to be same height or lower on the 2nd gen. But again, these pics are not really good basis for comparison!

Yup! Looking forward to it...
I think that picture is a great example of what Iím talking about. You may be right about certain features (headlight height or fender arch height) being lower, but even looking at that picture, the 1st gen just looks lower/wider. Thatís why I think it might be the design differences rather than any physical differences, or even camera angles/lenses.
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