Gun Showcase Thread (No Politics or Philosophical Discussions)

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Yeah the MAWL definitely seems to be the one to beat. DBAL has me curious just because of the cost. ATPIALs have surged in price by a few hundred in the last couple months. They’re like $1,600 now which is pretty wild. Another $1,000 gets you a MAWL, so the question is to just bite the bullet and spend the extra on a MAWL? Or realize the ATPIAL is probably more than good enough and just stick with that?

Or buy a DBAL for less than both? Lol

I always thought that the ATPIAL was popular because all the military guys had it and it looks cool. But it's slightly bulkier than the DBAL. The MAWL is the new hotness until something else comes along. I stopped buying gun stuff a few years ago, apart from a handgun here and there, so haven't had the urge (luckily) to keep up with the latest and greatest.

The only thing that's really interested me recently is the CMMG Banshee upper and MEAN Endomags, for a neat 9mm AR15 pistol conversion. I regret not buying a Colt 9mm carbine back in the late 80's, but PCC's weren't very popular back then. But, I already have a good alternative to a Banshee so I can't really justify spending the dough.

[Hypnocracy]

My only foray into military weapons...I got the Chinese SKS in the early 90's in honor of POTUS Bill Clinton labeling a 10 round internal mag that is loaded with stripper clips an "Assault Rifle" [rolleyes]. Purchased at Rose's Department store for $109...It stove pipes 3-4 times every hundred rounds...I just never felt like (or had a good reason for) sending it to a gunsmith to get it feeding better.


The M1 Carbine runs like a sewing machine...it's a National Postal Meter receiver & Underwood barrel...a pleasure to shoot...easy to handle little weapon.


No it's not a battle rifle...but, with the iron peep sights I shoot 12"-15" groups at 100yds...it will put a hurting on what ever it hits...at that distance the .30 cal carbine is equal to a 357 mag at the muzzle...for a 76 year old relic not bad...or my eyesight is not what it used to be...

[Hoahao]

Use 110 grain soft point for the M1 carbine and your good to go. If it's possible, get a red dot set up and your groups would probably tighten up considerably

A lot of the Russian ammo you get for AK's and the SKS is weaker then full power military stuff. That may account for the stove piping. If you can, try and get somebody to reload 100 rounds at the military setting and see if it still stove pipes.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Question from a gun noob: I've been thinking about getting some guns since February (yep, for THAT reason), but I only plan on living in states with silly laws due to career. Should I go for an AR-15 pattern gun with a funny stock, or a California-law specialized gun like a Keltec RDB?

I have fired a few different rented guns at ranges before, but the internet says an AR is "the best" gun to have because of ergonomics and parts and such. However when I look at the RDB, I see a longer barrel (+6 damage in Counter Strike!), reviews that say it's reliable as long as you don't get mud into the ejection port, and I don't have to worry about it breaking any NY/CA/NJ/IL laws which ban popular guns by name.

Another thing I was thinking about was a .223/5.56 rifle vs a PCC given I can't have a suppressor. A 9mm round is much less powerful, producing less noise and flash, but people on the internet told me "all guns are loud" and "the military uses 5.56 carbines indoors".

If you plan to live in NY I assume you are in a densely populated area. I would highly recommend a PCC over an AR. Smaller, still very capable of stopping a threat, and less likely to shoot your neighbor if you miss. Plus if you get a PCC that shares a mag with your pistol its better if you want some SHTF insurance only needing to carry one set of mags

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by finch1750

If you plan to live in NY I assume you are in a densely populated area. I would highly recommend a PCC over an AR. Smaller, still very capable of stopping a threat, and less likely to shoot your neighbor if you miss. Plus if you get a PCC that shares a mag with your pistol its better if you want some SHTF insurance only needing to carry one set of mags

Please look at the videos I posted on the previous page. 9mm can over penetrate the same way 5.56 can. The type of ammo is important.

Tests in the video various forms of different ammo and how similar they are all/as well as how different. Many are surprised by how much a 9mm FMJ round can punch through.

I say AR all day. Use pistol for indoors, and 5.56 for everything else. The only time a PCC makes sense is when it’s extremely small and more compact than a 5.56 gun. Those 9mm PCCs are cool, but they’re still very limited.

I use 147gr HP 9mm ammo for my pistol that sits on my night stand. And 220gr Soft point Subsonic 300blk for my suppressed 9” AR. I have zero concerns of over penetration with either.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Please look at the videos I posted on the previous page. 9mm can over penetrate the same way 5.56 can. The type of ammo is important.

Tests in the video various forms of different ammo and how similar they are all/as well as how different. Many are surprised by how much a 9mm FMJ round can punch through.

I say AR all day. Use pistol for indoors, and 5.56 for everything else. The only time a PCC makes sense is when it’s extremely small and more compact than a 5.56 gun. Those 9mm PCCs are cool, but they’re still very limited.

I use 147gr HP 9mm ammo for my pistol that sits on my night stand. And 220gr Soft point Subsonic 300blk for my suppressed 9” AR. I have zero concerns of over penetration with either.

I've watched many videos on it, maybe not out to 300blk so that might be a different story, but .223/5.56 comparisons at least. And JHP should be the only option considered for self defense for sure. Can you even have a short barreled AR in states like NY though? I just assumed it was a no like CA so just another reason to lean towards a PCC

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by finch1750

I've watched many videos on it, maybe not out to 300blk so that might be a different story, but .223/5.56 comparisons at least. And JHP should be the only option considered for self defense for sure. Can you even have a short barreled AR in states like NY though? I just assumed it was a no like CA so just another reason to lean towards a PCC

My understanding is that a PCC would also be defined as an “assault weapon” in the state of NY, due to its features, making it illegal.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

My understanding is that a PCC would also be defined as an “assault weapon” in the state of NY, due to its features, making it illegal.

Something like the Ruger PCC might be ok up there since it lacks most of the "evil features" that most normal self-loaders have these days.

[finch1750]

^thats my thought as well. Not sure if they are more strict then CA but even we can get legal PCC or Kel Tecs. Nothing like a Scorpion though

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by finch1750

^thats my thought as well. Not sure if they are more strict then CA but even we can get legal PCC or Kel Tecs. Nothing like a Scorpion though

Shame. I liked my Scorpion. Would do a Micro/K if I did one again though. Just for it to be more compact than the standard 8” barrel you get with the pistol.

MP5K would also be cool if the entry price wasn’t 2k+ lol

Would be better if we could have full auto too

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Shame. I liked my Scorpion. Would do a Micro/K if I did one again though. Just for it to be more compact than the standard 8” barrel you get with the pistol.

MP5K would also be cool if the entry price wasn’t 2k+ lol

Would be better if we could have full auto too

Here ya go -

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

MP5K would also be cool if the entry price wasn’t 2k+ lol

Well, considering I paid around $1k for this SP89 (without all the stuff I've added) about 30 years ago, the price hasn't gone up at all. $1k in 1990 is worth about $2k today. Having this is the main reason I don't have a 9mm AR15 pistol because it's hard to beat this package for compactness; especially with the brace folded. It's old school, but still cool.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by finch1750

^thats my thought as well. Not sure if they are more strict then CA but even we can get legal PCC or Kel Tecs. Nothing like a Scorpion though

NY/NJ are more strict than CA overall but they mostly overlap, as far as I can tell.

CA/NY doesn't classify airguns as firearms while NJ does.

NY/NJ have both I think attempted to reduce mag capacity to 7? but it got shot down by a court.

NJ allows 2 evil features (including detachable magazine) for "non-assault weapons" while NY and CA allow 1.

I think minimum overall length in NY/NJ is 26" instead of 30" like CA.

All 3 require a special permit to own handgun at all, and NYC/SF prohibit handgun ownership period.

I actually lived in NJ across the Hudson to reduce my income tax burden, but I will likely move to NY or even CA again at some point, so it would be best to keep within the intersection of all 3: 30" length, long barrel, no pistol grip, welded muzzle device, so that leaves very few choices.

At some point I plan to go to a low cost state to do some tax harvesting and study to get into a PhD program, which is where I can go pick up handguns with much less hassle and then I can bring it into one of the annoying states with less trouble.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by shiumai

Well, considering I paid around $1k for this SP89 (without all the stuff I've added) about 30 years ago, the price hasn't gone up at all. $1k in 1990 is worth about $2k today. Having this is the main reason I don't have a 9mm AR15 pistol because it's hard to beat this package for compactness; especially with the brace folded. It's old school, but still cool.

I've been debating picking up one of the new HK SP5s but it's base price of around $3k, plus the additional $2k I'd want to make it an SBR and the optics I'd want, make it very hard to swallow. Yet $5k I wouldn't bat an eye at for a supercharger
I could just do the same with the Sig MPX though...
And I still have an obsession with the Beretta CX4 Storm. lol