Really, which is faster AT vs MT? - Page 14 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Dadhawk · 05-31-2022, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stigmaru

How would an automatic ever know that you want to stay in gear longer or when to shift more aggressively vs... whatever it's programmed to do? I doubt an automatic is ever programmed to only shift at before redline or even at whatever optimum torque-rpm it is.

Easy, in that situation, put it in manual mode. I do this several times a week just for the fun factor.

In the 2013 FRS in manual mode the transmission:

Only upshifts when you tell it to.
Will only downshift if the car was going to stall.
Will bounce off the rev limiter all day until you switch gears.
Will skip gears if you double or even triple tap in either direction.
Will get to 60MPH in second gear

Sport-Tech · 05-31-2022, 10:02 AM

One thing a few reviewers have noted is that the AT on the second gen car will disallow some manual downshifts even when that downshift would not over-rev the engine. Seems Subaru and Toyota built a very large safety margin in there with their tuning that some testers found really annoying.

Ernest72 · 05-31-2022, 08:07 PM

Choices are a good thing. Get the one you want and let’s stop yucking others yum.

I wish I was driving for fun more than just commuting, but to be honest at this time 99% of my miles are commuting on a highway. So engagement is low. Still happy with the car though.

BonelessChickenStrips · 05-31-2022, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

These threads are always interesting.

If people knew the actual reason most of their cars were built with autos has nothing to do with being faster or more enjoyable but because of noise and emissions regulations.

I'll probably never understand why someone would want a small low powered noisy sports car and then option it with a meh auto. Plenty of better options if you don't really want the full experience. GTI, EN, IS300,Any of the pony cars.

I made an account here just to respond to this.

The GTI and Elantra N are front wheel drive economy based cars. Are automatic users not supposed to enjoy rear wheel drive?

The LS300 is an entry level luxury car. Are automatic users not supposed to enjoy sports cars?

The mustang automatic weighs 600 pounds more. The Camaro weighs 300 pounds more. The challenger weighs 800 pounds more. Are automatic users not supposed to enjoy low weight?

Also, no matter what transmission you get this car is not loud. It’s not a noise regulation thing

Your argument makes no sense. The car is not made for the experience to be shifting gears and never was. This car does not have a boxer engine, limited slip differential, 50 50 weight distribution, and low weight for the main purpose to be shifting gears. If low horsepower shifting WAS the point of the car, you would have something more like a manual base civic or an si. A mildly sporty car that has a nice shifter but won’t blow you away with its handling or looks.

You all need to stop gatekeeping people from getting the car they want on a forum dedicated to the car

soundman98 · 05-31-2022, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonelessChickenStrips

I made an account here just to respond to this.

welcome!

stick around, we're way more petty than this!

ozafar · 06-01-2022, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonelessChickenStrips

I made an account here just to respond to this.

The GTI and Elantra N are front wheel drive economy based cars. Are automatic users not supposed to enjoy rear wheel drive?

The LS300 is an entry level luxury car. Are automatic users not supposed to enjoy sports cars?

The mustang automatic weighs 600 pounds more. The Camaro weighs 300 pounds more. The challenger weighs 800 pounds more. Are automatic users not supposed to enjoy low weight?

Also, no matter what transmission you get this car is not loud. It’s not a noise regulation thing

Your argument makes no sense. The car is not made for the experience to be shifting gears and never was. This car does not have a boxer engine, limited slip differential, 50 50 weight distribution, and low weight for the main purpose to be shifting gears. If low horsepower shifting WAS the point of the car, you would have something more like a manual base civic or an si. A mildly sporty car that has a nice shifter but won’t blow you away with its handling or looks.

You all need to stop gatekeeping people from getting the car they want on a forum dedicated to the car

^This!!

Ultramaroon · 06-01-2022, 02:03 AM

Whoops. I guess I've been wrong all this time.

https://www.learn-automatic.com/gett...-fun-to-drive/

soundman98 · 06-01-2022, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Whoops. I guess I've been wrong all this time.

https://www.learn-automatic.com/gett...-fun-to-drive/

Can't be taken seriously. The car mages were all clearly flipped to show the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car!

2020BRZtS · 06-01-2022, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundman98

Can't be taken seriously. The car mages were all clearly flipped to show the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car!

I thought it was a driver's ed car.

Ultramaroon · 06-02-2022, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundman98

Can't be taken seriously. The car mages were all clearly flipped to show the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

I thought it was a driver's ed car.

I didn't even notice. Simplest explanation holds true. It's a Brit website.

soundman98 · 06-02-2022, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I didn't even notice. Simplest explanation holds true. It's a Brit website.

Exactly. Can't be trusted!

DylanJZA · 06-03-2022, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

One thing a few reviewers have noted is that the AT on the second gen car will disallow some manual downshifts even when that downshift would not over-rev the engine. Seems Subaru and Toyota built a very large safety margin in there with their tuning that some testers found really annoying.

It disallows downshifts above 4k because it wants a 1.5k gap to redline in a lower gear. this is conservative, but in my usage hasn't been an issue because when I downshift I want gear left over anyhow, but it would be nice to not have the nanny or at least had some more headroom. But I feel reviewers were annoyed by it a little more than needed due to not understanding and/or asking about it.

gen3v8 · 06-03-2022, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DylanJZA

It disallows downshifts above 4k because it wants a 1.5k gap to redline in a lower gear. this is conservative, but in my usage hasn't been an issue because when I downshift I want gear left over anyhow, but it would be nice to not have the nanny or at least had some more headroom. But I feel reviewers were annoyed by it a little more than needed due to not understanding and/or asking about it.

4k+? I Don`t care which is better,but I could probably do 2 gears down in a single shift. Suppose it`s just a close ratio box thing.

DylanJZA · 06-05-2022, 01:57 PM

AT has long gears so there is that...

06-01-2022, 02:03 AM	#189
Ultramaroon 義理チョコ Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: a 13 e8h frs Location: vantucky, wa Posts: 31,872 Thanks: 52,141 Thanked 36,522 Times in 18,923 Posts Mentioned: 1107 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	Whoops. I guess I've been wrong all this time. https://www.learn-automatic.com/gett...-fun-to-drive/ __________________ service manuals

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
How to get faster	Apelsin	Tracking / Autocross / HPDE / Drifting	39	11-10-2019 05:31 PM
Keep car N/A or buy another faster track car	Sonolin	Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum	29	02-19-2014 04:13 PM
Here's for those who want to go faster.. :(	slidethis	FR-S & 86 Photos, Videos, Wallpapers, Gallery Forum	2	01-08-2013 04:22 AM
FRS faster than BRZ? Tell me why I should still get the BRZ.	Phaedrus29	FR-S / BRZ vs....	63	04-27-2012 10:50 PM

05-31-2022, 10:02 AM	#184
Sport-Tech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: TBD Location: Toronto Posts: 2,583 Thanks: 665 Thanked 685 Times in 386 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	One thing a few reviewers have noted is that the AT on the second gen car will disallow some manual downshifts even when that downshift would not over-rev the engine. Seems Subaru and Toyota built a very large safety margin in there with their tuning that some testers found really annoying.

05-31-2022, 08:07 PM	#185
Ernest72 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Drives: 16 Silver BRZ, 04 Silver WRX wagon Location: Rockland county, NY Posts: 1,412 Thanks: 182 Thanked 768 Times in 439 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Choices are a good thing. Get the one you want and let’s stop yucking others yum. I wish I was driving for fun more than just commuting, but to be honest at this time 99% of my miles are commuting on a highway. So engagement is low. Still happy with the car though.

06-05-2022, 01:57 PM	#196
DylanJZA Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Drives: GR86 Premium AT Trueno Blue Location: USA Posts: 60 Thanks: 437 Thanked 39 Times in 27 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	AT has long gears so there is that...

User Name		Remember Me?
Password