FR-S to be priced at $22k and coming in Spring of 2012?

[SUB-FT86]

The 25 hp gain to the 3.8 was actually 43 hp. They applied D/I to the 290 hp 3.8. The coupe has different intake/exhaust/tuning to give it a 16 hp difference. I guarantee Hyundai wont give the coupe 333 hp. It will be closer to the Nismo Z in power I bet.

[wreq5]

OMG please let it be accurate!!!! AS with anything revolving around this car though...all speculation. I am hoping TRD provides enough during release and if not, just getting a base (basic, no entertainment system, or power anything) model then upgrade the hell out of it with aftermarket...! DONE

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The 25 hp gain to the 3.8 was actually 43 hp. They applied D/I to the 290 hp 3.8. The coupe has different intake/exhaust/tuning to give it a 16 hp difference. I guarantee Hyundai wont give the coupe 333 hp. It will be closer to the Nismo Z in power I bet.

You keep bringing up the old 290hp v6. Why? They're not talking about the 290hp version of the 3.8. They're talking about taking the current Gen/GC v6 from 306hp to 333hp. They also go on to say they only expect modest gains for the 2.0t in comparison to the 27hp gain with the v6.

If the 2.0t picked up 67hp compared to the v6 gaining 27hp, that is not modest by any sense of the word.

[SUB-FT86]

The 2011 Genesis sedan had the 290 hp engine. Look it up if you don't believe me. It is a 43 hp difference.

[fernan2]

Originally Posted by RRnold

How so? Please explain? .

ok, so wish car would you rather own? a 2011 subaru impreza 2.5 N/A or a 2011 WRX.... BUT WHY? the WRX weights so much more!

my point is that weight isn't everything there is to a sport car, you also need power if you realy want to have fun. so the GC 2.0t weights (3,380 lb) and the 2013 model is going to have at least 240hp/250tq with the dirrect injection (more if you retune the cpu). but if the FR-S weights in at 2,700 and has 200hp/180tq then maybe just maybe it can compeate. but to come here and say that the Scion is going to faster or better and that GC are for girls is just, just.... well you!

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The 2011 Genesis sedan had the 290 hp engine. Look it up if you don't believe me. It is a 43 hp difference.

Dude, I know it did. Who is arguing anything about the Genesis Sedan's v6?

Come back to present day. We're talking about the current Genesis Coupe's v6 which has 306hp and the 2012 v6 with 333hp. Not the entire Lambda engine evolution. They didn't go from 290 to 333 in one model year, they went from 290 to 306(where we are right now). The next leap forward in power is 306 to 333. Why do you keep bringing up the 290 Genesis Sedan engine?

[Aki]

Originally Posted by fernan2

my point is that weight isn't everything there is to a sport car, you also need power if you realy want to have fun.

Not necessarily. The Miata doesn't even make 200hp and is a hoot to drive.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

GC is too big. It competes with the Mustang, not the FRS. I really think it's apples to oranges. And 270/270 is still less than the V6 Mustang, not that I would buy either of them. People who want a big heavy muscle car are going to go all out and get the V8. Why put a tiny engine in a huge car, it doesn't make sense to me.

This picture should get the point across.

If not maybe the curb weight of the Gencoupe should give you an idea of what we are talking about. 3300lbs!

[82mm 4g63]

Who is our forum car overlay wizard? I'm curious what the third gen RX7 would look like over the FRS concept. Can anyone do that for me? <3

[Spiritama]

Its easier to take a light car and knock some power into and turn it into a beast, than it is to take a heavier one and do the same.
The FR-S is going to be great out of the box and amazing in the hands of peps with tuning abillity because for each HP squeezed out the gain is amplified by the low weight.
The GC is enormous and for some of us that isn't our taste when it comes to fun to drive. a smaller car generally has a lower center of gravity and is more fun in the corners. The GC in the overlay is WAY above the FR-S.
It depends on what personal preferences are. The GC might be a tad quicker on a drag run but its weight will do it no good compared to a car 500 lbs lighter that hugs the ground.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

Dude, I know it did. Who is arguing anything about the Genesis Sedan's v6?

Come back to present day. We're talking about the current Genesis Coupe's v6 which has 306hp and the 2012 v6 with 333hp. Not the entire Lambda engine evolution. They didn't go from 290 to 333 in one model year, they went from 290 to 306(where we are right now). The next leap forward in power is 306 to 333. Why do you keep bringing up the 290 Genesis Sedan engine?

I honestly think you don't get it. THE GENESIS SEDAN NEVER HAD 306 hp in America!!!! It was only the coupe that had more horsepower because the intake and exhaust didn't need to be as restrictive in a sports coupe. They basically bottlenecked the sedan's engine a little so it could be less noisy and more quiet. If they apply the same science to the GDI V6 it will not come with 333 hp. And I know they will because it's a sports coupe and not a Lexus LS/GS fighter.

And one more thing the 333 hp engine is in the sedan so we are arguing about it.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by fernan2

my point is that weight isn't everything there is to a sport car, you also need power if you realy want to have fun. so the GC 2.0t weights (3,380 lb) and the 2013 model is going to have at least 240hp/250tq with the dirrect injection (more if you retune the cpu). but if the FR-S weights in at 2,700 and has 200hp/180tq then maybe just maybe it can compeate. but to come here and say that the Scion is going to faster or better and that GC are for girls is just, just.... well you!

Originally Posted by Aki

Not necessarily. The Miata doesn't even make 200hp and is a hoot to drive.

+1
Actually weight has everything to do with a sports car!

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

GC is too big. It competes with the Mustang, not the FRS. I really think it's apples to oranges. And 270/270 is still less than the V6 Mustang, not that I would buy either of them. People who want a big heavy muscle car are going to go all out and get the V8. Why put a tiny engine in a huge car, it doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

Why, because weight is the be all end all characteristic that determines car comparisons? I guess they should've never compared RX-7s to Supras with thier 600# difference. Or Supras to 3000GT VR4s with 450#s separating them.

They compared them b/c they were the halo cars. The GC should be compared to the 370, Camaro, Mustang etc.

Just like Spacewilly's pic shows, the FT is a sport compact and is essentially in a class of it's own; RWD/liftback. That's not to say the some of the FWD compacts and if the new Miata comes out will try and test it.

[SUB-FT86]

As a matter of fact I'll find a quote about the differences between the sedan and coupes engine.



Hyundai had to redesign the intake manifold for the 3.8 Lambda RS engine to improve airflow and increase the engine noise that it makes when accelerating. The plastic intake for the sedan decreases the engine noise. The 3.8 engine in the Coupe has one of the best sounding stock V6 engines I've ever heard.


And another one


Will the aluminum intake off the coupe fit the 3.8 sedan?


I don't see why it shouldn't. The intake/exhaust and a slightly better tune are about the only difference between the sedan 3.8 and the coupe 3.8. So if you are looking for an easy upgrade - Get the coupe intake manifold and slap it on the sedan.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by RRnold

+1
Actually weight has everything to do with a sports car!

So would you say that a 911 and a M3 are terrible sports cars for weighing in between 3200lbs-3600 lbs?

It's funny to me that most of the desired sports cars are over the 3k lb barrier including a Cayman S at 3,075 lbs.