Harrop TVS86 Owners Thread

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Trefoil

Here's an interesting question: does anyone know the hose diameters of the system and the engine vacuum ines?

I was planning on changing all of them over to silicone hoses to remove the issue of cracks and holes.

Email them could be best. They replied to me in one to two business days. Could you buy a universal vacuum hose kit, or are you trying to not overspend?

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I got a nice reply. Hopefully this means something will be happening soon with CARB.

Word is, car is going in for testing in the next 2 weeks, so everyone is crossing our fingers that it goes smoothly!

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by The Racers Line

Word is, car is going in for testing in the next 2 weeks, so everyone is crossing our fingers that it goes smoothly!

Awww yea buddy . Imma start counting the bennies once the misses and me get back from Thailand.

[PhyrraM]

Originally Posted by The Racers Line

Word is, car is going in for testing in the next 2 weeks, so everyone is crossing our fingers that it goes smoothly!

If all goes well will CARB EO stickers be automatically mailed?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by PhyrraM

If all goes well will CARB EO stickers be automatically mailed?

Their kit is a tuner kit at the moment, right? It doesn’t come with an ECUTek dongle, license or tune, right?

Checking Harrop, and they offer a tuner kit and tuned kit, but that was for Australia’s emissions. Racer’s line offers just a tuner kit and Moto east offers their in house tune, so unless Harrop offers the CARB tune for free like Edelbrock does, someone will need to buy Harrop’s tune (assuming a license n dongle are already bought) and then Harrop would send an EO sticker I’m assuming.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Their kit is a tuner kit at the moment, right? It doesn’t come with an ECUTek dongle, license or tune, right?

Checking Harrop, and they offer a tuner kit and tuned kit, but that was for Australia’s emissions. Racer’s line offers just a tuner kit and Moto east offers their in house tune, so unless Harrop offers the CARB tune for free like Edelbrock does, someone will need to buy Harrop’s tune (assuming a license n dongle are already bought) and then Harrop would send an EO sticker I’m assuming.

Correct, for north america, it's just the hardware.

EO stickers are strictly cosmetic; it doesn't necessarily get you out of the ticket. I recommend carrying a copy of the EO that's published on the ARB website for that.

https://www.instagram.com/p/_8Jw3ohrrN/



That's a familiar logo there...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Correct, for north america, it's just the hardware.

EO stickers are strictly cosmetic; it doesn't necessarily get you out of the ticket. I recommend carrying a copy of the EO that's published on the ARB website for that.

I don’t know completely/entirely what you are saying or implying. Are you saying a cop can send you to the ref even with an EO sticker on the kit? Are you saying the CARB printout for the kit is more detailed, specifically saying the Harrop kit is CARB legal, so have that available to show? Considering any kit can be custom tuned, I would feel like the EO sticker at least implies someone made the CARB purchase. This is where Edelbrock is confusing when they offer the CARB tune free then hand out EO stickers. Can they verify downloading of the tune?

I’m sure it is always at the discretion of the officer to send someone to the ref if they believe something is shady, but I think the EO sticker really mitigates them putting the effort into ticketing someone who appears to be in conplete compliance.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I don’t know completely/entirely what you are saying or implying. Are you saying a cop can send you to the ref even with an EO sticker on the kit? Are you saying the CARB printout for the kit is more detailed, specifically saying the Harrop kit is CARB legal, so have that available to show? Considering any kit can be custom tuned, I would feel like the EO sticker at least implies someone made the CARB purchase. This is where Edelbrock is confusing when they offer the CARB tune free then hand out EO stickers. Can they verify downloading of the tune?

I’m sure it is always at the discretion of the officer to send someone to the ref if they believe something is shady, but I think the EO sticker really mitigates them putting the effort into ticketing someone who appears to be in conplete compliance.

You are correct; emissions tickets are given out at the cop's discretion. However, having the sticker does not mean the cop cannot cite you. Rather, it's just a cosmetic sticker that states that your modifications are legal.

The cop's job is to enforce the law (aka write the citation based on if he believes a crime has been committed). It is the ref's job to determine if your car is legal or not.

This also bring up the whole mandatory body cam thing, because if the body cams become a thing, the cops lose their discretion, and have to cite EVERYTHING, no matter what. Remember, it's not the cop's job to determine if you are guilty or not. If you've popped your hood, there is probable cause, even with a CARB sticker.

But, then we're goign off on a whole different topic altogether.

Best to just not get pulled over.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You are correct; emissions tickets are given out at the cop's discretion. However, having the sticker does not mean the cop cannot cite you. Rather, it's just a cosmetic sticker that states that your modifications are legal.

The cop's job is to enforce the law (aka write the citation based on if he believes a crime has been committed). It is the ref's job to determine if your car is legal or not.

This also bring up the whole mandatory body cam thing, because if the body cams become a thing, the cops lose their discretion, and have to cite EVERYTHING, no matter what. Remember, it's not the cop's job to determine if you are guilty or not. If you've popped your hood, there is probable cause, even with a CARB sticker.

But, then we're goign off on a whole different topic altogether.

Best to just not get pulled over.

I got a ref ticket back in the day when I had a custom turbo on my 2jzge Supra. Cop said I see a FMIC and a boost gauge so pop the hood. That isn’t really probable cause for popping the hood because neither are illegal but I was young and I did. I had nitrous too I ended up buying a GTE motor to swap for my illegal setup. Now I am more about being low key. And I doubt a cop would send someone to the ref with a blatant EO sticker right in their face.

I work in the ER. Bodycams are already on all the cops. They just aren’t turned on 24/7 but they are there. Even if cameras have to be on 24/7, they wouldn’t need to cite everything in the camera’s view. It would be impossible to cite everything like every tint violation or whatever. Plus probable cause to search doesn’t mean a crime exists. In short, I’m not worried if there is an EO sticker and an EO number for the ref.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You are correct; emissions tickets are given out at the cop's discretion. However, having the sticker does not mean the cop cannot cite you. Rather, it's just a cosmetic sticker that states that your modifications are legal.

The cop's job is to enforce the law (aka write the citation based on if he believes a crime has been committed). It is the ref's job to determine if your car is legal or not.

This also bring up the whole mandatory body cam thing, because if the body cams become a thing, the cops lose their discretion, and have to cite EVERYTHING, no matter what. Remember, it's not the cop's job to determine if you are guilty or not. If you've popped your hood, there is probable cause, even with a CARB sticker.

But, then we're goign off on a whole different topic altogether.

Best to just not get pulled over.

Wow this all just sounds awful.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I got a ref ticket back in the day when I had a custom turbo on my 2jzge Supra. Cop said I see a FMIC and a boost gauge so pop the hood. That isn’t really probable cause for popping the hood because neither are illegal but I was young and I did. I had nitrous too I ended up buying a GTE motor to swap for my illegal setup. Now I am more about being low key. And I doubt a cop would send someone to the ref with a blatant EO sticker right in their face.

I work in the ER. Bodycams are already on all the cops. They just aren’t turned on 24/7 but they are there. Even if cameras have to be on 24/7, they wouldn’t need to cite everything in the camera’s view. It would be impossible to cite everything like every tint violation or whatever. Plus probable cause to search doesn’t mean a crime exists. In short, I’m not worried if there is an EO sticker and an EO number for the ref.

If the cams are on, they have to cite everyone, with zero discretion. That med student who got pulled over with weed? Without a body cam, the cop would likely just make the kid throw it away and call it a day. With a body cam, he now has to be cited, and his life ruined.

Why?

Because if the cop lets ONE person slide, then when he is called to court to testify at a trial for a much more serious crime, such as a DUI, guess what happens when he gets cross examined? The defense attorney will bring up that time the cop let someone go, and ask why this guy was also not let go. This results in the guy getting off with the crime, as well as getting the well meaning cop in trouble.

Making that one exception, means now the precedent is set in that everyone has to be granted that exception.

This is one of the major arguments used to make a case against body cams.



In your case, if you're in california, those visible modifications (FMIC) is probable cause. If you refuse to pop your hood, and the cop is in a bad mood, the cop will then detain you and call a specialist who is more knowledgeable in vehicle modifications to determine if a ticket should be issued. Should you still refuse to pop your hood, he can then impound your car, get a warrent, and then pop your hood at the tow yard. This just now cost you a tow fee, storage fee, and STILL the citation.


As I said above and like you said, best to just not attract attention and get pulled over.

Everyone asks me why I keep my car so quiet. I think you know exactly why. A car doesn't need to be loud to be fast.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Wow this all just sounds awful.

I agree.

Check this out.

https://bangshift.com/general-news/j...ts-california/

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

In your case, if you're in california, those visible modifications (FMIC) is probable cause. If you refuse to pop your hood, and the cop is in a bad mood, the cop will then detain you and call a specialist who is more knowledgeable in vehicle modifications to determine if a ticket should be issued. Should you still refuse to pop your hood, he can then impound your car, get a warrent, and then pop your hood at the tow yard. This just now cost you a tow fee, storage fee, and STILL the citation.


As I said above and like you said, best to just not attract attention and get pulled over.

Everyone asks me why I keep my car so quiet. I think you know exactly why. A car doesn't need to be loud to be fast.

It isn't an issue because I am compliant, and I wouldn't mind popping my hood for a gaze at a beautiful Harrop CARB kit with the officer just to show off my EO sticker. I'm also not to afraid to flex my rights. Any cop can violate those rights, or try to stretch the grey area as much as possible to favor whatever they plan to say on a report. My brother is an officer, I worked EMS and now am in the ER, so I know this can happen a lot...whatever is written in the report is what happened. With that said, probable cause can not come from profiling like it is the case for race, gender, vehicle type, etc. Thus, a FMIC isn't probable cause on a vehicle that came with an intercooler for a turbocharger system (my non-turbo Supra would have had to be identified as a non-turbo for probable cause to apply) because an intercooler on gasoline engines doesn't require an EO#.

https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/APPENDIX%...%2012-2009.pdf

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I agree.

Check this out.

https://bangshift.com/general-news/j...ts-california/

I am not sure where the law stands on selling performance parts. Like does it say the seller needs to specify "for offload use only" to be able to sell the product and Jegs didn't? I know some catback exhausts will say "for offroad use only" because the decibels are outside of regulation, even if catback exhausts are CARB exempt.

I feel like the bigger issue is selling emission-similar components to California residents. For instance, I know that a seller is not allowed to sell/ship a high flow cat to California residents. Only CARB-EO-replacement, universal, catalytic converters can be shipped to California residents. Anyone can buy it like on eBay, but the sale will get rejected once the address specified is entered.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It isn't an issue because I am compliant, and I wouldn't mind popping my hood for a gaze at a beautiful Harrop CARB kit with the officer just to show off my EO sticker. I'm also not to afraid to flex my rights. Any cop can violate those rights, or try to stretch the grey area as much as possible to favor whatever they plan to say on a report. My brother is an officer, I worked EMS and now am in the ER, so I know this can happen a lot...whatever is written in the report is what happened. With that said, probable cause can not come from profiling like it is the case for race, gender, vehicle type, etc. Thus, a FMIC isn't probable cause on a vehicle that came with an intercooler for a turbocharger system (my non-turbo Supra would have had to be identified as a non-turbo for probable cause to apply) because an intercooler on gasoline engines doesn't require an EO#.

https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/APPENDIX%...%2012-2009.pdf



I am not sure where the law stands on selling performance parts. Like does it say the seller needs to specify "for offload use only" to be able to sell the product and Jegs didn't? I know some catback exhausts will say "for offroad use only" because the decibels are outside of regulation, even if catback exhausts are CARB exempt.

I feel like the bigger issue is selling emission-similar components to California residents. For instance, I know that a seller is not allowed to sell/ship a high flow cat to California residents. Only CARB-EO-replacement, universal, catalytic converters can be shipped to California residents. Anyone can buy it like on eBay, but the sale will get rejected once the address specified is entered.

As the law is currently interpreted, unless it's explicitly whitelisted, aka CARB, it cannot be used.

I'm sure someone will eventually fight it.


While the intercooler itself is legal, there's a very high correlation with intercooler upgrades and other non-legal modifications. It does fall under probable cause. Can you tell me how many of your friends with legal intercooler upgrades have a 100% legal car, otherwise? I thought so.