S2000 vs BRZ vs Miata vs Fiat 124

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

is there a tl;dr?

S2000 has the best engine and gearbox. Steering and brakes suck.
86 has the best steering, pedals and chassis. Engine sucks.
ND2 has the best nothing, but is the most fun. Suspension sucks.

[ZDan]

Looks like s2k on Hankook RS4, 86 on Michelin PS4, Miata on Bridgestone S-04
Probably not a whole lot in the tires, maybe slight nod to RS4 but certainly not 3 seconds worth!

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Looks like s2k on Hankook RS4, 86 on Michelin PS4, Miata on Bridgestone S-04
Probably not a whole lot in the tires, maybe slight nod to RS4 but certainly not 3 seconds worth!

Correction - the slower S2K was on RS3, it was the faster prepped S2K that was on RS4.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Correction - the slower S2K was on RS3, it was the faster prepped S2K that was on RS4.

Thanks, I skipped through 90% of video!

[Aluma007]

So I'm looking at the ND vs the 124...noticed the Fiat has huge discounts right now, but has worse reliability ratings. Not sure what its issue is though. Any info from y'all? Is the 124 worth the headaches vs the ND?

[winstonscifi]

Originally Posted by Aluma007

So I'm looking at the ND vs the 124...noticed the Fiat has huge discounts right now, but has worse reliability ratings. Not sure what its issue is though. Any info from y'all? Is the 124 worth the headaches vs the ND?

The Fiat has a fiat engine - maybe the root of the reliability problems?

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

We also did yet another pull (5-75 mph), except we switched cars for this run: I was driving his AP2 and he was in my FR-S. Pretty much the same as always, nearly even. 1st gear we were side-by-side. I pulled maybe 1/4 car at the top of 2nd, but he started inching back as soon as I shifted into 3rd. We let off before 80 mph and I think I had 1/8 car length on him at the time. No matter who is driving, it's really neck-and-neck between my E85 FR-S and his AP2. Possibly a slight advantage to his AP2, but not sure. Comes down to driver/launch more than anything.

Update after a round of mods. Friend with the AP2 got a Berk HFC and Hondata tune. Also stiffer engine mounts. I switched to a 2017 OEM header on my FR-S and changed to my track wheel setup (4 lbs heavier/each and longer geared at 235/45/17).

This time we did two runs from 5-90 mph. He was ahead by 1/2 car length the first run and 1 car length the second. Either the HFC/Hondata tune made a small difference on his car or my heavier/taller track wheel setup is slowing me down, or both. I also got some wheelhop on the 1-2 shift but he said he did as well. Fun runs either way.

I like the 5k VTEC engagement on the Hondata tune. Powerband is noticeably wider now (5k-8k RPM). There's no more VTEC kick but I'd take usable midrange power anyday. One other thing I noticed today is call me crazy but I prefer the sound of my FA20 currently over his F22C. It didn't used to be like that so that was interesting after this past round of mods.

[Petah78]

Thanks for posting this. Are you on e85 as well?

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Update after a round of mods. Friend with the AP2 got a Berk HFC and Hondata tune. Also stiffer engine mounts. I switched to a 2017 OEM header on my FR-S and changed to my track wheel setup (4 lbs heavier/each and longer geared at 235/45/17).

This time we did two runs from 5-90 mph. He was ahead by 1/2 car length the first run and 1 car length the second. Either the HFC/Hondata tune made a small difference on his car or my heavier/taller track wheel setup is slowing me down, or both. I also got some wheelhop on the 1-2 shift but he said he did as well. Fun runs either way.

I like the 5k VTEC engagement on the Hondata tune. Powerband is noticeably wider now (5k-8k RPM). There's no more VTEC kick but I'd take usable midrange power anyday. One other thing I noticed today is call me crazy but I prefer the sound of my FA20 currently over his F22C. It didn't used to be like that so that was interesting after this past round of mods.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

One other thing I noticed today is call me crazy but I prefer the sound of my FA20 currently over his F22C. It didn't used to be like that so that was interesting after this past round of mods.

Not crazy - after adding headers + mild catback (P&L 4-1, Greddy) I think the FA20 sounds pretty good. Nice mechanical sounds + a deep howl. Adding the supercharger helped too.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Petah78

Thanks for posting this. Are you on e85 as well?

Yep those runs were on E85.

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Not crazy - after adding headers + mild catback (P&L 4-1, Greddy) I think the FA20 sounds pretty good. Nice mechanical sounds + a deep howl. Adding the supercharger helped too.

Haha supercharger whine makes anything sound better!