Stock internals for FI track usage

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by GrandSport

Curious - what does your car run/have/put down and what would be the cost (for a customer) to duplicate the build?

In peak trim? ~360whp sustained, vehicle + 25k. Full audio system, air condition, and blows 82dB.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by RedReplicant

I had an aftermarket turbo car that a w2w spec series was built around - a S1 SuperMiata.

There was a lot of development behind that thing to get it to the point of running a season of half hour races reliably, and that was with the power turned down to 220whp from the ~375whp the hardware was more than willing to make unrestricted.

949 Emilio took one of the exact same spec build, turned the power up to 300whp, strapped on Hoosier A7s, a bigger splitter, and a bigger wing and won Global Time Attack Super Lap Battle Unlimited RWD with it by doing 1:44 at Buttonwillow in 2017. No power steering, no ABS, no traction control.

I would seriously not want to deal with the pain or development cost of running a non-OEM FI car for competitive purposes. Trackdays are fine, when you need the car to be reliable across a season while beating the shit out of it or lapping consistently at or close to competitive class track record pace is another thing entirely.

Some food for thought. Just a few years later,

Supras on 200TW tires replicates that lap time, on a stock long block, with air conditioning and a full interior.

It's wild how fast cars have become. 1:44 mightn't have won Street class (second slowest class), in recent years.

[GrandSport]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

In peak trim? ~360whp sustained, vehicle + 25k. Full audio system, air condition, and blows 82dB.

Super impressive.

[RedReplicant]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Some food for thought. Just a few years later,

Supras on 200TW tires replicates that lap time, on a stock long block, with air conditioning and a full interior.

It's wild how fast cars have become. 1:44 mightn't have won Street class (second slowest class), in recent years.

Yeah, pretty much the exact reason that I stick to power to weight classing with a tire modifier instead of the wild west of time attack style classing where you have 600-700whp cars in “street class”

Nothing against it, Uncle Tony is a good dude. He runs our local NASA tech and a small TA series.

Modern cars are wild.

[Breadman]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

In peak trim? ~360whp sustained, vehicle + 25k. Full audio system, air condition, and blows 82dB.

Does your ac work when up to temp? If so what am I doing wrong, I get terrible heat soak even when daily driving making ac unusable.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by RedReplicant

Yeah, pretty much the exact reason that I stick to power to weight classing with a tire modifier instead of the wild west of time attack style classing where you have 600-700whp cars in “street class”

Nothing against it, Uncle Tony is a good dude. He runs our local NASA tech and a small TA series.

Modern cars are wild.

P:W classes have their pros and cons too. Unfortunately no system is perfect. Even "spec" is never truly spec.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by RedReplicant

Yeah, pretty much the exact reason that I stick to power to weight classing with a tire modifier instead of the wild west of time attack style classing where you have 600-700whp cars in “street class”

Nothing against it, Uncle Tony is a good dude. He runs our local NASA tech and a small TA series.

Modern cars are wild.

LOL yeah I feel that one.

GTA: Oh, you have comp and rebound adjustable coilovers? Here, you and your FBO BRZ with a wing is classed with a turbo K24 NSX.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Breadman

Does your ac work when up to temp? If so what am I doing wrong, I get terrible heat soak even when daily driving making ac unusable.

Sure does.

Have your AC system diagnosed.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

LOL yeah I feel that one.

GTA: Oh, you have comp and rebound adjustable coilovers? Here, you and your FBO BRZ with a wing is classed with a turbo K24 NSX.

built to class vs built how you want. Have you ever looked at that NSX? There's so much going on underneath the surface.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

built to class vs built how you want. Have you ever looked at that NSX? There's so much going on underneath the surface.

There is nothing “built how I want” about my car. It is setup for SCCA Max4, or OnGrind Touring class. I just went to single adjustable coils so I could just run 220tw tires and pop my diffuser off and be GTA enthusiast class legal. The difference between GTA enthusiast class and street class is massive, the rules being as they are there is nothing street about street class. The PHD Supra being street in GTA as well as the previously mentioned NSX. Yes, I have gotten a good look at that NSX when it was at The Ridge in 2021, it is extremely well sorted and took a ton of money to build on top of the price of the car, it also was the fastest car overall that weekend beating out the unlimited cars by a good margin.

Edit: oh and a K swap twin wouldn’t even be street class legal as you are limited to engines from the same manufacturer.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

There is nothing “built how I want” about my car. It is setup for SCCA Max4, or OnGrind Touring class. I just went to single adjustable coils so I could just run 220tw tires and pop my diffuser off and be GTA enthusiast class legal. The difference between GTA enthusiast class and street class is massive, the rules being as they are there is nothing street about street class. The PHD Supra being street in GTA as well as the previously mentioned NSX. Yes, I have gotten a good look at that NSX when it was at The Ridge in 2021, it is extremely well sorted and took a ton of money to build on top of the price of the car, it also was the fastest car overall that weekend beating out the unlimited cars by a good margin.

Edit: oh and a K swap twin wouldn’t even be street class legal as you are limited to engines from the same manufacturer.

You completely missed the point.

Your car is literally built how you want, to class well in a different series (s). The NSX is literally built to class for the series where you are disadvantaged.

Different series different rules. That's the entire point. You're heavily disadvantaged because you are not built to the class of that series.

Likewise, that NSX won't ever be driven in other series where it's heavily disadvantaged, because it's literally built to a ruleset.

[gnarjunkie]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

There is nothing “built how I want” about my car. It is setup for SCCA Max4, or OnGrind Touring class. I just went to single adjustable coils so I could just run 220tw tires and pop my diffuser off and be GTA enthusiast class legal. The difference between GTA enthusiast class and street class is massive, the rules being as they are there is nothing street about street class. The PHD Supra being street in GTA as well as the previously mentioned NSX. Yes, I have gotten a good look at that NSX when it was at The Ridge in 2021, it is extremely well sorted and took a ton of money to build on top of the price of the car, it also was the fastest car overall that weekend beating out the unlimited cars by a good margin.

Edit: oh and a K swap twin wouldn’t even be street class legal as you are limited to engines from the same manufacturer.

GTA is pretty wild in general ... even Enthusiast class is completely unrestricted as far as power goes.

It's funny with both GTA and Gridlife how an engine swap is considered more of a common, everyday mod than FI.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by gnarjunkie

GTA is pretty wild in general ... even Enthusiast class is completely unrestricted as far as power goes.

It's funny with both GTA and Gridlife how an engine swap is considered more of a common, everyday mod than FI.

How deep are your pockets!

Funny that power is relatively unrestricted, by driver mod is.

[lutfy]

Originally Posted by GrandSport

Honestly, the engine isn't even that big of a cost in the grand scheme of things. Turn key, installed, with a 1yr warranty from the dealer, I got a new engine for $6500. That's $32.50/hr. Obviously, a lot of that was labor.

Hello GrandSport, any chance you can share details? Longblock/shortblock? You mentioned labor, so assuming that was $6500 for a crate motor installed?

Thank you in advance.

Lutfy