EVO: GT86 TRD vs Miata MX-5 BBR Turbo

[fooddude]

"Slightly Different" = Turbo & tuned suspension... editors are obviously muppets.

They might as well use the Evasive 86 or HKS 86 against that Miata - Similar differences in comparing a turbo Miata to a basically stock 86.

[thill]

Maybe they just needed a more aggressive body kit and bigger wing to make the GT86 faster. Rocketbunny?

Knowing Evo that will be the next comparison. Rocketbunny GT86 with no FI vs a McLaren F1.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Celica00

that's the part that got me. especially that huge straight around the middle of the track would seem like the Miata should've been 5+ seconds faster. proves how much the gt86 destroys corners especially w/ decent tires.

if you think a turbo is worth 5+ seconds on a sub 1:10 lap, you are out of your mind. it was basically an autox where power means very little. you wouldnt see close to a 5 second difference if it was a 270hp gt86 vs the trd gt86.

these comparisons dont prove anything. they are just comparisons even if it is a rather odd one.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by rcm47

I watched this the other day and thought wow what a load of crap. They're comparing a body kit to a turbo kit.

LOL. That's a perfect description.

Evo...

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by fatoni

if you think a turbo is worth 5+ seconds on a sub 1:10 lap, you are out of your mind. it was basically an autox where power means very little. you wouldnt see close to a 5 second difference if it was a 270hp gt86 vs the trd gt86.

these comparisons dont prove anything. they are just comparisons even if it is a rather odd one.

While I agree that 5 seconds is alot, saying it's an autox is bit rich. I don't many autoXs where you can go flat out on a straight for 15 seconds. Plus is you do have more mechanical and tire grip like in the tuned Miata, obviously you know more power will be put down. Whereas adding more tire grip to the TRD w/o more power probably slows it down.

[teamturbo]

This video proves conclusively the 86 is a better car.

[suaveflooder]

So much butt hurt in this thread!! lol. Who cares!? It kinda goes back to the whole, "Run what ya brung" idea. Mazda had a better car in this case. That miata was a beast!

We always go around bragging when the 86 is compared to another car that costs more and comes out on top. It's done it a lot. It fell short in this case. Sounds like TRD needs to actually step up it's game and focus more on what the name is, "Toyota RACING Development" and get away from their stupid bulky body kits. Hopefully videos like this will wake them up. I'd personally rather have a 100% stock looking car that performs like a race car, then a bulky body kit that makes it look like a race car. Just my humble opinion. End of the day, you can make excuses all day long as to why it lost. It still lost, and rightfully so in this case.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

So much butt hurt in this thread!! lol. Who cares!? It kinda goes back to the whole, "Run what ya brung" idea. Mazda had a better car in this case. That miata was a beast!

We always go around bragging when the 86 is compared to another car that costs more and comes out on top. It's done it a lot. It fell short in this case. Sounds like TRD needs to actually step up it's game and focus more on what the name is, "Toyota RACING Development" and get away from their stupid bulky body kits. Hopefully videos like this will wake them up. I'd personally rather have a 100% stock looking car that performs like a race car, then a bulky body kit that makes it look like a race car. Just my humble opinion. End of the day, you can make excuses all day long as to why it lost. It still lost, and rightfully so in this case.

Calm down dude, nobody here is defending TRD. In fact, there are a bunch of comments stating TRD parts are mostly overpriced cosmetic fluff.

People are just laughing at Evo's stupidity in bringing a bodykit TRD GT86 to a track comparison.

EDIT: Put another way, if you had $10k and were prepping a car for a track showdown, the worst thing you would do is spend that money on a factory body kit and wheels. Yet that's Evo's way of evaluating a "track-tuned" GT86.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Calm down dude, nobody here is defending TRD. In fact, there are a bunch of comments stating TRD parts are mostly overpriced cosmetic fluff.

People are just laughing at Evo's stupidity in bringing a bodykit TRD GT86 to a track comparison.

EDIT: Put another way, if you had $10k and were prepping a car for a track showdown, the worst thing you would do is spend that money on a factory body kit and wheels. Yet that's Evo's way of evaluating a "track-tuned" GT86.

lol, I ain't even mad! They just mentioned that the car was similarly priced and that was the comparison. And TRD stands for Toyota RACING development. Not saying your are wrong, but this would lead lots of people astray. An expensive intake, expensive exhaust, and aero kit for a race car.

[Pete156]

Couldn't listen to the blahblahblahblah.........


Just put the video on the 65" plasma and cranked some Zeppelin! Ya

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

lol, I ain't even mad! They just mentioned that the car was similarly priced and that was the comparison. And TRD stands for Toyota RACING development. Not saying your are wrong, but this would lead lots of people astray. An expensive intake, expensive exhaust, and aero kit for a race car.

Yeah definitely agree with you on TRD being a misnomer. Probably the last place to look for a track build.

BTW I can't believe TRD charges 6500 GBP (~$10k USD) for essentially a bodykit, wheels, and exhaust. They don't even include any suspension mods or BBK for that price.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._pictures.html

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah definitely agree with you on TRD being a misnomer. Probably the last place to look for a track build.

BTW I can't believe TRD charges 6500 GBP (~$10k USD) for essentially a bodykit, wheels, and exhaust. They don't even include any suspension mods or BBK for that price.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._pictures.html

AGREED!!! Price is INSANE!

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

While I agree that 5 seconds is alot, saying it's an autox is bit rich. I don't many autoXs where you can go flat out on a straight for 15 seconds. Plus is you do have more mechanical and tire grip like in the tuned Miata, obviously you know more power will be put down. Whereas adding more tire grip to the TRD w/o more power probably slows it down.

while slightly over stating my point, its worth noting that it is an extremely small track. thats like a kart track time. i dont know why you think the miata has more grip in the comparison. all they talk about is how the rear end likes to step out. its also been shown here that the frs can take a lot of tire. more than they have in the study im sure. just take a look at the 86 cup where the fastest street class time at sow ccw was 1:28 while in the super modified calss it was a 1:26. while i cant difinitively say that the 1:26 didnt have forced induction, i can say that the point system would mean that having fi would likely make it slower than if you didnt at a street class level. there are also sub 2 minut n/a cars at buttonwillow. i dont think we have seen a sub 1:55 on a streetable car without more than 270hp and those lap times are almost double.

my only point is that people treat power in a different way than they do other mods which is confusing. the relationship between power and speed isnt linear. that kind of assumption makes as much sense as drawing a direct relationship between treadwear and cornering forces. it just doesnt work that way.

[Meehow86]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

So much butt hurt in this thread!! lol. Who cares!? It kinda goes back to the whole, "Run what ya brung" idea. Mazda had a better car in this case. That miata was a beast!

We always go around bragging when the 86 is compared to another car that costs more and comes out on top. It's done it a lot. It fell short in this case. Sounds like TRD needs to actually step up it's game and focus more on what the name is, "Toyota RACING Development" and get away from their stupid bulky body kits. Hopefully videos like this will wake them up. I'd personally rather have a 100% stock looking car that performs like a race car, then a bulky body kit that makes it look like a race car. Just my humble opinion. End of the day, you can make excuses all day long as to why it lost. It still lost, and rightfully so in this case.

Your comment is dumb and you should feel dumb.

1. "Run what ya brung"

.... or bring cars that can actually be fairly judged against each other. Stock MX-5 vs GT86 or SIMILARLY modded MX-5 vs GT86.


2. "Mazda had a better car in this case."

Did you miss the part about the third party tuner that threw a turbo in that car?! Mazda's got nothing to do with that.


3. "you can make excuses all day long as to why it lost."

Refer back to #1 and #2


4. " It still lost, and rightfully so in this case."

Refer back to #1... and #2. Maybe you and EVO can get together and have a GT86 vs 370 Z comparison and this time the Toyota only gets 3 tires. Idk, seem like you just missed everything that's obviously wrong with this video.