Likely the first FA2/4 hybrid incoming

[Ebush]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

It will be interesting to see the FA24D swaps once there are more chassis out there and they come down in price. I don't see the engine ever being as "cheap" as a FA20D. Hmm $7500 really isn't a lot for a swap setup that drops right in and passed emissions vs $12k+ for the Kswap just to make the same power.

I'm into my kswapped 86 for $7000. Usdm k24a2's can be found on eBay for cheap if you look hard enough. I paid $750 shipped for mine, so location wasn't even a factor. Only issue with the motor was stuck injectors. Im using the full kpower kit without ac, and could have come in at less than $7000 if I had been using a clutch that was compatible with the swap. I sold my fa20, act clutch, hks header, perrin over pipe, hks front pipe, and verus aos for $6500.

I think the fa24 will be great for someone that's either a diehard Subaru fan, or someone with a blown fa20 that just wants a oem upgrade.

The k24 swap is definitely on the pricey side IF you have a stock car with blown engine and don't have any parts to sell.

[RedReplicant]

I'm into mine roughly $2.5k, but I had a supercharged motor setup with all of the goodies to part. Total cost right now is about $14.5k, but that includes a couple grand of parts that weren't required.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by Ebush

I'm into my kswapped 86 for $7000. Usdm k24a2's can be found on eBay for cheap if you look hard enough. I paid $750 shipped for mine, so location wasn't even a factor. Only issue with the motor was stuck injectors. Im using the full kpower kit without ac, and could have come in at less than $7000 if I had been using a clutch that was compatible with the swap. I sold my fa20, act clutch, hks header, perrin over pipe, hks front pipe, and verus aos for $6500.

I think the fa24 will be great for someone that's either a diehard Subaru fan, or someone with a blown fa20 that just wants a oem upgrade.

The k24 swap is definitely on the pricey side IF you have a stock car with blown engine and don't have any parts to sell.

Originally Posted by RedReplicant

I'm into mine roughly $2.5k, but I had a supercharged motor setup with all of the goodies to part. Total cost right now is about $14.5k, but that includes a couple grand of parts that weren't required.

No, lie I completely forgot you can sell the current FA20 setup to help cover the cost.

[elBarto]

Originally Posted by BrahmaBull1990

Not sure if people have been following EMS Tuning:

The engine is running and has been on the dyno.




Facebook video of the engine running

[FrickingReallySlow]

Pretty awesome, FA20 Heads and FA24 Shortblock!

most likely FA20 ECU since its cracked already. I have serious doubts that the newer gen2 ECU can be cracked to the same point where anyone can load a tune with ODB anytime soon. The GR Yaris ECU apparently needs to be sent in to a tuner to get a tune flashed on there. sort of like a tethered jailbreak in the iOS world.

Hold on to those gen1 ECUs!

Originally Posted by elBarto

The engine is running and has been on the dyno.




Facebook video of the engine running

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

Pretty awesome, FA20 Heads and FA24 Shortblock!

most likely FA20 ECU since its cracked already. I have serious doubts that the newer gen2 ECU can be cracked to the same point where anyone can load a tune with ODB anytime soon. The GR Yaris ECU apparently needs to be sent in to a tuner to get a tune flashed on there. sort of like a tethered jailbreak in the iOS world.

Hold on to those gen1 ECUs!

with that gauge cluster, i suspect they're running an aftermarket ecu. no reason to run a different gauge cluster if using the gen1 car that comes with a gen1 ecu and gen1 gauges.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

Pretty awesome, FA20 Heads and FA24 Shortblock!

most likely FA20 ECU since its cracked already. I have serious doubts that the newer gen2 ECU can be cracked to the same point where anyone can load a tune with ODB anytime soon. The GR Yaris ECU apparently needs to be sent in to a tuner to get a tune flashed on there. sort of like a tethered jailbreak in the iOS world.

Hold on to those gen1 ECUs!

With the EPA cracking down on ECU tuning as a whole, it will be interesting to see how it goes.

[elBarto]

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

Pretty awesome, FA20 Heads and FA24 Shortblock!

most likely FA20 ECU since its cracked already. I have serious doubts that the newer gen2 ECU can be cracked to the same point where anyone can load a tune with ODB anytime soon. The GR Yaris ECU apparently needs to be sent in to a tuner to get a tune flashed on there. sort of like a tethered jailbreak in the iOS world.

Hold on to those gen1 ECUs!

It's using a standalone ECU. They wanted to use a gen1 ECU but it was easier to go standalone atm. Maybe later but I doubt it since it's a track only car.

[Four_wheel_drifts]

Any mention, anywhere, if the main bearing oiling issue is fixed with the new engine?

[BrahmaBull1990]

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

Pretty awesome, FA20 Heads and FA24 Shortblock!

most likely FA20 ECU since its cracked already. I have serious doubts that the newer gen2 ECU can be cracked to the same point where anyone can load a tune with ODB anytime soon. The GR Yaris ECU apparently needs to be sent in to a tuner to get a tune flashed on there. sort of like a tethered jailbreak in the iOS world.

Hold on to those gen1 ECUs!

Awww the days of Pawnage Tool for the original iPhones and iPods. I used to do it at school and charged $10 haha

[Conti93]

Originally Posted by elBarto

The engine is running and has been on the dyno.




Facebook video of the engine running

Eh, 299,8Nm at 4582rpm from a 2,4 liter?
We're in race engines territory, I highly doubt that's accurate...

Still, out of curiosity today I asked a local Subaru dealer in Italy if I could order the OEM shortblock for the 2022 BRZ which is NOT sold here (thank you EU), and surprise surprise, I can order one for a little less than 2500€ VAT included

I've tried emailing EMS Tuning to no avail, who knows if they used the FA24 upper oil pan and what else is needed... Still, I'm tempted.

[Kylejc1219]

Was waiting to get more info on this tread before I decided to pull the trigger on doing a short block but looks like this is going to need more time. Quick question for anyone who would know, would there be any benefit to using a fa24 timing cover/oil pump on the fa20? I figured at the very least it wouldn’t hurt but maybe there’s fitment issues? I kinda doubt it, seems like the parts are similar enough. Hoping the new part improves some of the infamous oiling issues.

[Conti93]

Originally Posted by Kylejc1219

Was waiting to get more info on this tread before I decided to pull the trigger on doing a short block but looks like this is going to need more time. Quick question for anyone who would know, would there be any benefit to using a fa24 timing cover/oil pump on the fa20? I figured at the very least it wouldn’t hurt but maybe there’s fitment issues? I kinda doubt it, seems like the parts are similar enough. Hoping the new part improves some of the infamous oiling issues.

It seems the only FA20/24 hybrid functioning atm is the EMS Tuning one, which didn't disclose much detail. Like nothing of it. Zero, except for a dyno pull which is fishy for a 2,4l running on 98 RON gasoline.

For the timing cover if you plan to use the stock first gen ECU you need to verify if the cam angle sensors are in the same place at least.

[FrickingReallySlow]

Lets revive this project people! @Opie have you asked if they can sell you a shortblock now? or let someone with a 2022 GRZ order one for you with their VIN?

I think the major question is the still the machining of the head cylinder volume to get it back to the right compression

Originally Posted by Conti93

It seems the only FA20/24 hybrid functioning atm is the EMS Tuning one, which didn't disclose much detail. Like nothing of it. Zero, except for a dyno pull which is fishy for a 2,4l running on 98 RON gasoline.

For the timing cover if you plan to use the stock first gen ECU you need to verify if the cam angle sensors are in the same place at least.