is it ok to slip my clutch often in 2nd gear when my rpm is below 2k?

[Toyarzee]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

The chattering/rattle is NOT perfectly ok. You are interpreting the engine's struggle correctly. It's universally bad technique and I'm surprised at many people's responses here.

Are you ruining your engine? Not exactly. Not right away, at least[/U]

I wouldn't want my advice being confused with trying to purposely put a load on the motor when you can hear any struggle btw, purpose of my last post in this thread. The point is to know how to drive your car more intimately. You can slowly work out of low rpms but with the motor wanting to bring itself back to speed without a severe enough load, aka a significant knocking noise to warrant concern for locking anything up on these modern motors. However, you should be able to feel when you are beyond that gears usefulness and the clutch is needed, which is a more disposable wear and tear item than some others.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting people's description of noises because I'm assuming everyone's being dramatic with sounds these days. You can hear the motor work differently at all stages of stress.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Toyarzee

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting people's description of noises because I'm assuming everyone's being dramatic with sounds these days. You can hear the motor work differently at all stages of stress.

Hell, I was being dramatic. "many people?" Duh.

To your point though, this car is super chatty but that's a great thing. Lots of opportunity to hone those M/T skills.

OP questioned going uphill with passengers in second at low speed. That's definitely first gear territory. I detest having to come to a full stop just to get into first.

Double-clutching is just another option. Options are good.

[Teseo]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

Sometimes I can't slow down to down shift to first because of traffic behind me and its unnecessary to slow all the way down ahead.. I can't be slowing down to first gear at every turn especially round abouts that I can just enter without the need to give way to anyone.


Does your car make noise from 1500-2000 in 2nd gear when feathering the gas ? If so, Do you drive it with the noise or do you slip your clutch ?

2nd gear at 2000 rpm is "ok" just dont slam the gas pedal and slipping the clutch its unnecesary.
Also dont look much your mirrors if you have ppl behind you. Dont pay attention when they honk at you for driving slow (happen to me in shitty roads) and pay attention on what you are doing. Keep calm and live mas

[Tromatic]

OP, post mileage when you need a new clutch.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

Im in 2nd gear... and im not moving slow enough to down shift to 1st gear!!

Well, if you are at 2K in second and lugging, shifting to first would put you at approx 3200. Shift the thing, that's why the lever is there. The source of this issue is you, nothing else. Why abuse the drivetrain when you don't have to?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Well, if you are at 2K in second and lugging, shifting to first would put you at approx 3200. Shift the thing, that's why the lever is there. The source of this issue is you, nothing else. Why abuse the drivetrain when you don't have to?

Don't make me bust out my A/T jokes.

[awhatzable]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Well, if you are at 2K in second and lugging, shifting to first would put you at approx 3200. Shift the thing, that's why the lever is there. The source of this issue is you, nothing else. Why abuse the drivetrain when you don't have to?

You can't down shift from 2>1 at 2000 rpm in 2nd gear.

[awhatzable]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

The chattering/rattle is NOT perfectly ok. You are interpreting the engine's struggle correctly. It's universally bad technique and I'm surprised at some people's responses here.

Are you ruining your engine? Not exactly. Not right away, at least. I've become more comfortable operating at stupid low RPM because this engine still makes pretty good oil pressure down low.

So, what's happening? At low RPM the engine does not rotate smoothly. It's much worse when asking it for any real power. The little pulses feed into the transmission where, although only one pair of gears is coupled to the output shaft at any one time, they all rotate all the time. The rest of the gears all have a little backlash so they chatter.

I drive in shitty rush hour traffic every day. The first gear lockout is really aggressive. It is impossible to downshift into first above maybe 5 Km/h - walking speed.

So, what do we do?

1. In second gear, from 1000-2000 RPM, very gently ask the engine to accelerate. I'm comfortable with stomping on it above 2K.

2. Get into first but never force it. Especially if you are going uphill, get into first. Learn to double-clutch. Fuck the naysayers. Learn to double clutch.

Is double clutching down to gear 1 better for the clutch than just staying in 2nd and slipping the clutch?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

Is double clutching down to gear 1 better for the clutch than just staying in 2nd and slipping the clutch?

Far better. Night and day.

And to be clear, I'm not talking about some F&F showoff move. It's just a blip to spin up the input shaft before engagement. Not too much or you end up pressing the gearshift against the syncro waiting for it to spool back down. That ends up being tough on the syncro. You'll get the feel for it.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Don't make me bust out my A/T jokes.

Go ahead.

Originally Posted by awhatzable

You can't down shift from 2>1 at 2000 rpm in 2nd gear.

In a MT?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Go ahead.

Fuck. I don't have any.

[JB86'd]

From what I've gathered slipping the clutch briefly and especially at low rpms isn't going to have any ill effect on your car. Clutches aren't a perfectly "ON/OFF" mechanism for a reason. Even if it does cause slight wear over the lifetime of your car..the clutch is a wear item.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by JB86'd

From what I've gathered slipping the clutch briefly and especially at low rpms isn't going to have any ill effect on your car. Clutches aren't a perfectly "ON/OFF" mechanism for a reason. Even if it does cause slight wear over the lifetime of your car..the clutch is a wear item.

Or shift into a more appropriate gear. Too hard, I guess. OP gives the impression he does it all the time.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Or shift into a more appropriate gear. Too hard, I guess. OP gives the impression he does it all the time.

No, Trom. It's impossible to shift into first gear above 4-ish MPH without double-clutching into it. But you wouldn't know that because you have the auto.