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Old 04-07-2023, 07:21 PM   #4341
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Does 1st gen RCE yellows fir 2nd gen struts? @Racecomp Engineering

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Old 04-07-2023, 07:43 PM   #4342
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Thanks for that. I had a look at the kit and it makes more sense now. Is there much height adjustment being done when using the bushing inserts ? I honestly never even though about this aspect till now ha
I don't believe so but I am not familiar with that kit.
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Old 04-10-2023, 03:58 AM   #4343
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Anyone know for the front end roughly:
- How much toe changes per degree of camber? Like X amount of added negative camber ~= Y amount added toe in?
- How much X amount of turns on the tie rod = Y amount of toe in / out?

2023, BRZ if it makes a difference.
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I don't remember off the top of my head. But I did post about this a few years ago. Try searching.
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Old 04-10-2023, 09:31 AM   #4345
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Short answer no, we're working on 2nd gen springs.

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How tie rod turns affect toe, toe affecting camber and vice-versa

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I don't remember off the top of my head. But I did post about this a few years ago. Try searching.
I'd like to have this info too. I did most of it at one time but can't find my notes.
Pat, can you give us some hints as to what to look for and where in a search? I've tried and have struck out!
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I don't remember off the top of my head. But I did post about this a few years ago. Try searching.
I found this thread. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104005

Haven't gone all the way through it yet, but is that the one you were thinking of?

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I found this thread. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104005

Haven't gone all the way through it yet, but is that the one you were thinking of?

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That's the one i was thinking of lol. I remember he posted that and I double checked the next time I did an alignment.

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I have created a Google doc that spells this out and could come in very handy.
I'm having people review it before I publish it and I need to confirm the length of the steering arm (centerline of the hole to center of spindle).
Anyone?
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I have the SPL kit and I didn't like the way the car felt with the subframe raised. It felt a bit looser with trying to put power down on corner exit.
I think using the parts shop max kit (raises the rear of the subframe a little more than it does the front) as well as re-drilling the trailing arm bolt hole lower would give you the best of both worlds.
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Old 04-12-2023, 11:10 AM   #4351
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I think using the parts shop max kit (raises the rear of the subframe a little more than it does the front) as well as re-drilling the trailing arm bolt hole lower would give you the best of both worlds.
For classing I am not allowed to alter suspension pickup points. Otherwise MCA traction mod would have happened long time ago.
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My takeaway from reading 80% of that long thread from 2017 is that if you have your car significantly lowered "for racing" and have the supporting mods, that it may do little to help.
More interesting to me is if there is a "rear steer" issue with our cars if they are lowered. I have Lime Rock and some others where "bumps" and getting light are an issue and I've already had one issue that seems like it was related to the rear getting light and it snapping on me.
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So went to my first autox event with the new setup. I was pretty happy with the front end, but looking for some ways to get the rear a bit more willing to rotate on throttle.

Current setup:
-Lowered about an inch on T2s set to recommended settings
-2.3° camber up front, 1.8 rear
-0 toe front, 2mm total toe in rear
-19mm Perrin front sway on soft

Ideas I had:
A. Change the front sway bar to the stiff setting.
B. Reduce toe in the rear.
C. Driver mod.
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So went to my first autox event with the new setup. I was pretty happy with the front end, but looking for some ways to get the rear a bit more willing to rotate on throttle.

Current setup:
-Lowered about an inch on T2s set to recommended settings
-2.3° camber up front, 1.8 rear
-0 toe front, 2mm total toe in rear
-19mm Perrin front sway on soft

Ideas I had:
A. Change the front sway bar to the stiff setting.
B. Reduce toe in the rear.
C. Driver mod.
Reduce toe in rear for starters. Stiffening the front sway will have the opposite of desired effect.

Edit: I forgot you have T2's. Give it a couple more clicks of rebound in the rear.
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