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05-17-2018, 12:14 PM | #57 | |
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The Tail of the Dragon has some on-camber turns that can initiate the e-diff and it is indeed evil. However, I don't think anything short of a clutch-type diff will "fix" those turns. My 350Z had a Quaife diff that would go open on those same turns. The e-diff on my FRS makes it worse, but my speed out of those corners is/was crap with either car. (And the Z was a base model with no nannies or e-diff) |
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ABS software/implementation can also screw you. I've only experienced "ice mode" a handful of times. The first time it resulted in a very expensive body shop bill (and happy it stayed at that).
EBD on this car is a safety feature, which in some conditions can be taken advantage of to go faster around a parking lot . On race tracks, pedal dance is universally faster. |
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EBD allows you to decelerate faster, even while cornering, without kicking the rear out, at the cost of not being able to properly left foot brake or trail brake. Double edged sword in a performance driving environment. For typical street/commute type driving, it is 100% effective, and I 100% think it should be there; faster deceleration and not having to worry about the rear kick out is going to be a benefit for everyone, universally. RE: Tail of the Dragon. We drove through there in my BRZ last year at a spirited pace, but with electronics on. I didn't notice much intrusion, but I also have a clutch type diff in my car, and a LOT of droop travel. Perhaps we weren't going fast enough; we still had to drive the car back home to California! |
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So let me try to explain this to you again.... I am making an opinion that track mode is great for people who want to go enjoy driving their car hard on track with a reduced risk of wrecking their car, all while having fun still being able to drive very hard without being shut down hard enough to notice anywhere but the skinny part of a stopwatch. They can still go fast, and they can still slide a car and learn car control, and they can still say "ah shit, stability control saved my ass there, glad I have track mode on and didn't wreck my car. But it's a shame I won't bring home that HUGE CASH PRIZE for fast lap at the end of the track day, bruh." |
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Auto-x driving style means slow track driver. Learn how to drive autocrossers |
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I think we can sum it up as, you prefer for hobbyists to have the car fix their driving errors for them, whereas I prefer to educate them on how to make the corrections themselves.
Funny you bring up the HPDE trophy; the HUGE CASH PRIZES I got paid for my entire season and then some last year. Being that you work for SoA, you should already know precisely how/where/why the stability control is slowing you down; a system that is utilizing power reduction and/or brakes, at a car of this power level, functions by fundamentally slowing the car down. Conversely, you should also know, that most novices would never recognize when their aids are kicking in. |
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Different techniques but NOT different skill sets. If you can't recognize that, maybe you should reassess the validity of your perspective. Last edited by Briankbot; 05-18-2018 at 01:43 AM. Reason: edited for clarity |
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I guess what I don't understand is why you guys are so against a fun, sporty track mode that can save some people that have no interest in looking at lap times. You say that you'd rather teach them to save the car themselves, but I argue that EVERYONE makes mistakes. If they didn't, we'd never see a wreck in Formula 1, but Romain Grosjean just pulled a bonehead move in the last race, didn't save it, and took out 4 people. If he can do it, so can Joe Rookie Track Day Driver. Will track mode save every wreck? Of course not. Will it save a lot of them while still letting someone learn a good amount of car control? Absolutely. |
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