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05-08-2018, 02:53 AM | #43 | |
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LOL @ Chris’s name and reputation showing up on an 86 forum. I only eat Mexican food with him so I cannot attest to his speed first hand.
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All of your comments lead me to believe that you see "track mode" and instantly go to "NO BRO! You'll never win the race!" When there's a HUGE market out there for people that want to go enjoy driving their car much faster than they can legally or safely go on the street, but they don't care about cranking out that last half a tenth. But what they do care about is the risk of totaling their daily driver when they make a mistake. That's a hard lesson to learn when the goal is to go have fun, not shave half a tenth. So, regardless of how you feel track mode slows down the very best of the best drivers, I still feel it is an EXCELLENT upgrade from "sport mode" on the 13-16 cars for everyone up to the slightly-above-average-Joe that wants to enjoy their car without the car getting in the way until it's time to save a crash. You can pedal dance all you want if it helps you feel more secure about your man card |
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The 5 sec press interferes with most drivers on an older car, they just don't realize it until they try pedal dance. I ran with an instructor for the first time a couple weeks ago and he could tell when I would pedal dance the car vs 5 sec press. You can really feel the ebd cause the rear of the car to do weird stuff. I find it hard to believe that the new track mode is less intrusive then a 5 sec press.
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Intermediate drivers that got comfortable pushing hard while relying on the safety net of the aids are the most likely to get caught off by them
1) not being foolproof (some driver errors are be too big to correct) 2) doing something unexpected (e.g. understeer while trailbraking) 3) doing something downright dangerous (the example of car grabbing brakes at high speed after hitting a bump and throwing car off the desired trajectory..) The driver has far more context than the computer to do the right thing. The BRZ's track mode is also not a pro racing TC system (and those fail too, but far less often). Drivers seeking to exploit "99% of the car's potential" should use pedal dance. |
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The setup and skillset of autox =/= tracking. Likewise, many of the mentioned can just simply drive around the limiting factors of the car, which is what autox'ing is to begin with. Try taking a nationally competitive autox car on track, and compare it to an equally prepped track car, and note the differences in the behavior of both cars, both with a 5 second press, and with the pedal dance. Seriously, do this objective measurement. Just use an AIM Solo DL and log wheel speeds. |
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Based on more recent posts, I believe it's due to his autox background. The driving style of AutoX doesn't result in the pedal dance being faster. Rather, the pedal dance will hurt most driver than help, as EBD lets you do thing you can't with the pedal dance.
e-diff is a non-issue in an autox environment with an autox setup. OP has not accepted how many times I can see/hear the systems kicking in, in his OWN video! |
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After driving a 17 in track mode, I think the new track mode is what the old sport mode should have been. (There is nothing "sporty" about the old sport mode) If a driver has any question if they want to turn off the nannies, they should probably just run track mode.
The pedal dance is another issue. I guess one could argue that the twins' particular implementation of EBD is bad, but I can't help but think this same debate took place when ABS started showing up. "Real drivers don't use ABS" or something to that effect... Both EBD and ABS are capable of controlling braking in ways that a driver with a brake pedal simply can't. Sure, driving older Miata's with no ABS is more of a challenge , (so they arguably require more "skill" to go fast) but it would never occur to me to disable ABS on a car that has it. |
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