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a K24 at its highest rated torque makes 159 lb/ft at 6100 RPM and looks to be (most configs seems to be around 140 lb/ft @ 4000rpm) The FA24 is making 184 @ 3700rpm. |
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Car & Driver Comparison Test Review: Veloster N vs. GTI vs. BRZ vs. GR86
I’ll say this, I finally did a WOT 1st-2nd-3rd in my 2022 last night, and it doesn’t pin you in your seat the way a fat turbo 6cyl in a bigger car does, but I was caught off guard by how soon I had to shift up in both gears.
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I asked CSG Mike in another thread what he though about the performance difference was like between a tuned with header Gen 1 and a stock Gen 2 and he said it was pretty close.
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Dude mentions lightweight flywheel on Gen2 from the factory? I didn't know that was changed. Is this true, I don't recall this being mentioned anywhere
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Your percentage relation that you make just goes to back up my point of the new car not being wonders faster than the old. Never said it wasn't quicker or even a good bit quicker, I've admitted to the fact and absolutely love that part about it. I agree that it's a good thing that the new one is faster than the old. I was never about the "this car is too slow" life, I've loved my gen1 since the first day I sat in it. Nothing has changed there. I feel like some on here are thinking it has become a supercar (not literally). Supercar enough to beat the GTI and Veloster N based on those 0-60 and quarter mile numbers that have been thrown out there. I guess I may be misinterpreting what most people are saying on here then. Because it seems like many are using big words to talk about how much faster this second gen really is. But then again, i'm not disagreeing with the facts, the second gen is clearly faster, and by a good bit, just not something out of this world. I was more supporting Tcoat's reasoning for the future of complaints that will be coming. Because after all, it's not speed demon, and a minivan can still keep up with it no problem as I pointed out (and that minivan is due for a new gen soon). I was also rebutting some of the statements about this car being faster than the GTI and Veloster N purely based on 0-60 and quarter mile times. Again, these metrics are just not common for MOST users of this car on a daily basis. They only really count for those that race it. Otherwise I'm in agreement to the basic truths here - that this car is faster, and by more than expected/hoped. I am very excited for that and plan on keeping my gen1 when purchasing a gen2, just to have them both as a collection. |
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This is based on the reference I was making. Doesn't blow my mind to think that my header-tuned BRZ with flex-fuel is probably about on par if not a bit quicker than the gen2.
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Go to a Lamborghini forum, and you will find people upset that some 7-seater SUV has a better 0-60 than their Aventador SVJ STO Performante (Model X). Heck, even a non-EV Dodge Durango SRT Hellcat does 0–60 in mid-3's nowadays. I think the real difference between 1st gen and 2nd gen is that with the 1st gen stock, even some "pure" enthusiasts sometimes needed excuses sometimes. In contrast, the performance of the 2022's is on par with competition in the same price range, except for perhaps the EcoBoost Mustang. For people who want significantly faster car (30%? 40%? when is it enough?), or better handling than the EcoBoost Mustang, they can go ahead and shop in the next price bracket. |
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Measurements from multiple, reliable outlets at this point have shown this is a 100-101 mph trap car. This points to a substantial power difference from a gen 1 car. There's no way around it.
Measurements from several dynos (including two from King motorsports) point to a ~210WHP dynojet (SAE) reading. This is in line with the trap speed indicated above. Finally, anecdotal evidence from videos (including the "race" against the bolt-on 8th gen) simply add more to the mountain of evidence that the difference between the FA24 and FA20 is more than just 23-28hp. Now onto speculation: The Gen 2 (FA24) is underrated: 1. If it were not underrated, it would imply a RWD manual drivetrain loss of 8%, which is unheard of, and regardless, not in line with the drivetrain loss of the first gen car, which was in the teens (percentage wise). Nothing magical was done to the transmission and differential across generations to explain this discrepancy. 2. If the drivetrain loss was more along the lines of the first gen car, it would imply a crank rating of 240hp. An estimate of 240hp is also substantiated by the 100-101mph trap speed. |
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Trap speed is the most reliable way to consistently measure a cars power, and 6mph is strongly suggestive of the HP improvement being more than 23 crank horsepower.
edit: oops didn't see sds post which pretty much says the same thing
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