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Lightweight crank pulley vs OEM vs Fluidampr by MotoIQ
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Had a Fluidampr in my 500hp GTI. Will definitely consider one for this platform. Good to know all these lightweight pulleys are a waste of cash.
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Thanks @CSG Mike I need a Fluidampr to add to the build list.
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But what about my butt dyno
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One thing I like to point out in these discussions about "Can a lightened pulley provide more HP":
Can HP be measured at a constant RPM? - YES. In fact the original term "Brake Horse Power" was used because the oldest method of measuring HP was to hold the engine/motor at constant RPM and apply the "Brake" (yes an actual BRAKE). When the engine begins to drop RPM (and the throttle cannot be opened any further), the power applied to the brake was determined and that was the 'BHP' for that particular RPM. Repeat the test at all RPMs and you get the typical curves that we are used to seeing from Dyno runs. SO IF classical Horsepower is measured at constant RPM, then WHAT does rotational mass have to do with HP? Answer - NOTHING. (Since rotational mass only resists CHANGES in RPM.) |
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Never been a fan of solid pulleys, I've had my eye on this for a bit now. I think solid pulleys are one of those mods people convince them self there is an improvement since they just shelled out cash for it, "wallet dyno" even more unreliable then the "butt dyno"
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Nice test but doesn't prove anything. Stu and I have gone round and round on this and I agree with his analysis here. (see #3)
1. The lack of difference on the dyno is obvious. You can get a 2whp delta by changing your shoes between runs. 2. Confirmation bias. Testing 101. "Hey look at this awesome pulley, it's supposed to make the car run smoother!" -> "The awesome pulley makes the car run smoother!" For the same reason everyone thinks a lightened pulley "makes the car pull harder!" 3. What should've been measured is the delta in time vs. power. Lightened drivetrain components do not make more power on the dyno, they reduce the amount of energy necessary to load the components to put the car in motion. This can't be measured on a dyno. 4. A heavier flywheel makes a car smoother to launch and smoother to drive. Is that good for performance too? All that said, I sent an email to fluidampr about a year ago asking them to make a pulley after messing with the ATI offering (which sucks). Back when I was going to do a high RPM NA engine build, this was absolutely on my list of things that HAD to be addressed. It's a safety of engine thing. Then I got lazy and added FI. |
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Interesting info.
This comment from the above is also enlightening (pun intended?): Quote:
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It depends on the type of dyno being used. If it is a brake dyno then no, it can't be measured but if it is an inertia dyno then yes, it can be measured.
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So people that want to make power should just stay with the factory crank pulley.
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Well, I may actually go back to stock from NST now.
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