2022 Nissan Z Coupe

[gtpvette]

I'll go with the meh for the 350-370 line as well. Never cared for the styling. I had a 91 Z32,, bought it used with 17K on it for $15K. Loved the car. Hatch was great,, I could put a 4x8 sheet of plywood in it. Drove it to 120K miles and maintenance became an issue so sold it.

[Mike_ZN6]

These ones are my favorite renderings of the 400Z: https://www.motor1.com/news/418986/2...00z-rendering/

There is no way this thing is coming out next year, though. I always liked the 350Z, but I think they went wrong with the 370Z.

It would be great if this does actually come out eventually. It would be awesome to see some real competition in the affordable sports car market (Supra, Z, 86, etc.) There are rumors of a new Mazda sport coupe, too.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I just can't bring myself to like them. I loved the 240Z and 280Z. and sort of liked the 300Z. They lost me at the 300ZX though.

???? There was never any 300Z... There was the Z31 300ZX, which was still kinda light (at least not obscenely overweight) but ugly as sin, and the Z32 300ZX, which was drop-dead gorgeous but also way overweight.

240Z is the only Z, for me...
400Z is another step in the wrong direction. Z needs to lose about 500 lb. WAY more than it needs turbos and 400hp...

[RToyo86]

Nobody cares about lightweight anymore. They just look at the brochure for power figures and 0-60 times.


I briefly looked at a 370z when shopping for the 86. Intially it was tempting, as the base car was the same price. I then I decided against it as it wasn't as practical, and I wanted to check to many boxes which would have inflated the cost.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Z needs to lose about 500 lb. WAY more than it needs turbos and 400hp...

Rebirth the S chassis with the Z name. Share the car with Mercedes for the SLK (like the X class/Frontier, Z4/Supra, 86/BRZ, Miata/124). It's the only way to make an affordable new sports car these days. A light turbo4 Z would fit with the times.

Alas Nissan hasn't made any good decisions in 15 years. Not gonna magically start happening now.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by ZDan

???? There was never any 300Z... There was the Z31 300ZX, which was still kinda light (at least not obscenely overweight) but ugly as sin, and the Z32 300ZX, which was drop-dead gorgeous but also way overweight.

Well, technically you are correct. I was thinking of the Z31 First gen ZX) which still looked a little like the 240/280 before it overdid the steroids and morphed into whatever the Z32 was supposed to be. I personally consider the Z31 the last "Z" because you could still see the lineage a little bit.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, technically you are correct. I was thinking of the Z31 First gen ZX) which still looked a little like the 240/280 before it overdid the steroids and morphed into whatever the Z32 was supposed to be. I personally consider the Z31 the last "Z" because you could still see the lineage a little bit.

Z31 wasn't the "first gen ZX"! The S130 280ZX replaced the S30 280Z in 1979.

While the 280ZX did look somewhat like the S30 Zs, the Z31 300ZX doesn't look anything at all like them! The much shorter V6 engine eliminate the need for an extremely long hoo and way set-forward front wheels. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the 80s squaretastic styling was bad when new and has not aged well at all... The Z32 was a MUCH better-looking car, but weight jacked up to 3400-3600 lb., yikes...

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

350 and 370 z cars are meh at best. Nissan as a company is meh at best. 400z that probably wont happen, meh.

Yeah that Skyline GT-R, what a meh vehicle
Nissan has lost their way due to a lot of factors, extreme mismanagement one of them. But they have over the years produced some of the very best sports cars from Japan. I mean Toyota has never had a real answer to the Skyline GT-R. The Supra used to be in that class, but not any more.
I for one hope Nissan can get back to their roots.


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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Z31 wasn't the "first gen ZX"! The S130 280ZX replaced the S30 280Z in 1979. .

I'm not a Z historian nor a really true fan, it was just my personal opinion, so I'll defer to your greater knowledge and leave it at "I know what I like when I see it, and that's where it stopped"

Nissan basically became dead to me when they decided to tease but never produce the MID-4.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by JesseG

Yeah that Skyline GT-R, what a meh vehicle
Nissan has lost their way due to a lot of factors, extreme mismanagement one of them. But they have over the years produced some of the very best sports cars from Japan. I mean Toyota has never had a real answer to the Skyline GT-R. The Supra used to be in that class, but not any more.
I for one hope Nissan can get back to their roots.


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Nissan overall as a company, ESPECIALLY TODAY, meh.

Have they put out some good cars, undoubtedly... but the 70s and 90s are a long time ago. Even the R35 is a great car but... it's not the same.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by beltax90

would love to see some elements of design from these renders!

That blue render is gorgeous.

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

You forgot its biggest problem. At 8/10ths it feels great and super capable, but if you drive it at the limit it feels like a mess. Suddenly it’s all over the place and you have no idea what the wheels are doing. The twins on the other hand inspire confidence even at 11/10ths.

Oh and the interior. Jesus. The steering wheel is lifted straight from my mom’s 2010 Maxima. The whole interior makes the BRZ feel like a Porsche inside.

Having owned a 350z, I can't really disagree with you. On paper, the 350z (and especially the 370z) should be pretty amazing cars. RWD, V6, 280-333 hp, 3200-3400 lbs, double-wishbone suspension F/R, V-LSD, 53/47 weight distribution. In reality, they somehow don't drive as well as they should. Interior is dated, engine feels rough, the driving position is not great, big blind spots, car feels heavy, etc. They're not bad cars, just not as good as they should be.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That blue render is gorgeous.




Having owned a 350z, I can't really disagree with you. On paper, the 350z (and especially the 370z) should be pretty amazing cars. RWD, V6, 280-333 hp, 3200-3400 lbs, double-wishbone suspension F/R, V-LSD, 53/47 weight distribution. In reality, they somehow don't drive as well as they should. Interior is dated, engine feels rough, the driving position is not great, big blind spots, car feels heavy, etc. They're not bad cars, just not as good as they should be.

Exactly how I feel. On paper they both sound like a slam dunk.

I never drove the 350Z when it came out but I always really liked it. When I was looking for a sports car in 2016 I found a low mileage 2005 Performance. It looked perfect, well maintained, only 30K on the clock, and the exact spec I wanted.

I drove it and lost all interest in the car. Drove a 370 to see if it was better but it was mostly the same. Very capable but not very confidence inspiring, not as exciting as it should be.

I drove a BRZ and after 2 hard turns I turned back to the dealership and said I'll take it.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Exactly how I feel. On paper they both sound like a slam dunk.

I never drove the 350Z when it came out but I always really liked it. When I was looking for a sports car in 2016 I found a low mileage 2005 Performance. It looked perfect, well maintained, only 30K on the clock, and the exact spec I wanted.

I drove it and lost all interest in the car. Drove a 370 to see if it was better but it was mostly the same. Very capable but not very confidence inspiring, not as exciting as it should be.

I drove a BRZ and after 2 hard turns I turned back to the dealership and said I'll take it.

Yeah it's interesting how the BRZ is kind of the opposite. Pretty underwhelming on paper, but drives much better than its stats would indicate.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I work near, and drive by at least twice a day, Z1 Motorsports so I get to see a lot of modded late model Zs, including two dozen or more in their parking lot.

I just can't bring myself to like them. I loved the 240Z and 280Z. and sort of liked the 300Z. They lost me at the 300ZX though.

What? The commercial didn't hook you?