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Old 06-20-2012, 08:57 PM   #15
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I'm new to this from the BMW world. Are these cars just have that much chassis flex? Other than the factory subframe brace and strut bars that were fully welded or allowed for pre-tensioning, not a lot of people even bothered with this kind of stuff. Does $1000 in chassis braces have the same impact as $1000 in shocks?
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Added a important part. Regardless of the brand its going to be a decent chunk of change and its not a bad idea to do some research and try and get the most for your money


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Go the TRD, the more TRD stuff we buy the more they will support the car..
Good point. Unfortunately, though, I'll be buying the JDM version from Japan, so they won't have any new data telling them how much Americans like this sort of thing. Might not hurt to write them, though, and inform them of such.

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I'm new to this from the BMW world. Are these cars just have that much chassis flex? Other than the factory subframe brace and strut bars that were fully welded or allowed for pre-tensioning, not a lot of people even bothered with this kind of stuff. Does $1000 in chassis braces have the same impact as $1000 in shocks?
No, there's actually very, very little flex in stock form. But if you plan on driving the car hard, AND keeping it for a while, bracing can prevent a chassis from wearing out or showing its age down the road. Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure... does that qualify as weight reduction? LOL...
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if you really are about go and not show, there are dozens of ways to better spend your money. also, it is likely that trd did not make a rear strut brace because the frs does not have rear struts
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if you really are about go and not show, there are dozens of ways to better spend your money. also, it is likely that trd did not make a rear strut brace because the frs does not have rear struts
<face-palm> See opening post where I said I'm looking for comparisons on these two items, NOT advice on what other parts you think I should be buying.

And the car may not have rear struts, but that doesn't stop Cusco from offering, quote, "Rear Strut Tower Bar." I'm sure you knew what was being referred to, but it's easier to be snarky on the internet than to weigh in with anything useful.

Edit: side note here: why do people consider chassis bracing for this car "show"? You can't even SEE most of this stuff once it's installed. Hell, both TRD and Cusco had to take the whole rear of the car apart just to give a glimpse as to how the bumper brace is installed. Do you guys really think I'm buying these so I can pull into a PepBoys parking lot, pop the hood, and give all the fanbois wood?
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<face-palm> See opening post where I said I'm looking for comparisons on these two items, NOT advice on what other parts you think I should be buying.

And the car may not have rear struts, but that doesn't stop Cusco from offering, quote, "Rear Strut Tower Bar." I'm sure you knew what was being referred to, but it's easier to be snarky on the internet than to weigh in with anything useful.

Edit: side note here: why do people consider chassis bracing for this car "show"? You can't even SEE most of this stuff once it's installed. Hell, both TRD and Cusco had to take the whole rear of the car apart just to give a glimpse as to how the bumper brace is installed. Do you guys really think I'm buying these so I can pull into a PepBoys parking lot, pop the hood, and give all the fanbois wood?
the only reason i mentioned other ways to spend money is because you say you are about go. saying you are about go and then not wanting upgrades that are cheaper and infinitely more effective doesnt make much sense

i dont know about you but i think offering a strut bar where there are no struts seems like it cant be for anything other than show. why dont you just the objectives that each part accomplishes? what are you trying to accomplish with these parts? id be surprised if they made you any faster and will likely just bump you into a crazy racing class. what kind of advice are you expecting on two products that havent both been owned by a single person on this forum and more importantly provide no data or testing on the products?

but ill go away...good luck on your endeavor

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Loads are still being fed into shock towers regardless of suspension design. That being said, the whole purpose of reducing chassis flex is about precision of the suspension. I don't think it will be worth significant gains until after sticky tires and other mods. But if precision is the priority I think bushings would be a better starting point.

So until you have a lot of complimentary mods, just pick the colour you like better, or name you like saying better.
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the only reason i mentioned other ways to spend money is because you say you are about go. saying you are about go and then not wanting upgrades that are cheaper and infinitely more effective doesnt make much sense
Have I said at any point that these are the only upgrades I'm performing? Have I led anybody to believe that I'm not looking at sway-bars, or will never install coilovers or stiffer bushings? By stiffening my chassis, have I forfeited all right to a turbocharger kit when it becomes available? No? Then why are you weighing in with nothing more than your useless opinion on how I'm upgrading my car, especially when I stated right at the start that I wasn't looking for such opinions? If you think that's dumb, and want more powah, or to tune your ride a different way... go buy one, and have at it.

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i dont know about you but i think offering a strut bar where there are no struts seems like it cant be for anything other than show. why dont you just the objectives that each part accomplishes? what are you trying to accomplish with these parts? id be surprised if they made you any faster and will likely just bump you into a crazy racing class. what kind of advice are you expecting on two products that havent both been owned by a single person on this forum and more importantly provide no data or testing on the products?
Cusco chose the term "rear strut bar" because that's what it's commonly called; probably to make differentiating it from the other two rear-chassis braces they offer a bit easier. One day maybe you'll learn too that not every modification you can perform on a car is solely to make you faster; a lot of times it can be just for reliability, and other times it's just to improve the characteristics of the drive. Having seen how STRUT-bars affect the handling of some vehicles, yes... sometimes they make a car faster, but sometimes they just make it more fun. (Sometimes they do nothing at all, but I won't know till I get one on here and see for myself).

As for asking for advice on products on this forum... yes, I can name at least one person who has experience with the Cusco braces on this exact car. And this may come as a surprise to you, but... CUSCO AND TRD MAKE PRODUCTS FOR OTHER CARS TOO!!! <gasp!> Shocking, right? See, my message was aimed at those out there who've had Cusco Powerbraces on their RX-7's and WRX's, and TRD Member Braces on their Supras and MR2's. If one person says, "Yeah, I had the TRD on my Celica, and it was solid!" and another says, "Meh, the Cusco stuff on my STi was warped after a year"... then I can use my brain-meats, and figure out that this might... might... be indicative of future results on the FR-S.

But I forgot... I'm on the internet. Worse, I'm on a car forum. My bad.
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Have I said at any point that these are the only upgrades I'm performing? Have I led anybody to believe that I'm not looking at sway-bars, or will never install coilovers or stiffer bushings? By stiffening my chassis, have I forfeited all right to a turbocharger kit when it becomes available? No? Then why are you weighing in with nothing more than your useless opinion on how I'm upgrading my car, especially when I stated right at the start that I wasn't looking for such opinions? If you think that's dumb, and want more powah, or to tune your ride a different way... go buy one, and have at it.



Cusco chose the term "rear strut bar" because that's what it's commonly called; probably to make differentiating it from the other two rear-chassis braces they offer a bit easier. One day maybe you'll learn too that not every modification you can perform on a car is solely to make you faster; a lot of times it can be just for reliability, and other times it's just to improve the characteristics of the drive. Having seen how STRUT-bars affect the handling of some vehicles, yes... sometimes they make a car faster, but sometimes they just make it more fun. (Sometimes they do nothing at all, but I won't know till I get one on here and see for myself).

As for asking for advice on products on this forum... yes, I can name at least one person who has experience with the Cusco braces on this exact car. And this may come as a surprise to you, but... CUSCO AND TRD MAKE PRODUCTS FOR OTHER CARS TOO!!! <gasp!> Shocking, right? See, my message was aimed at those out there who've had Cusco Powerbraces on their RX-7's and WRX's, and TRD Member Braces on their Supras and MR2's. If one person says, "Yeah, I had the TRD on my Celica, and it was solid!" and another says, "Meh, the Cusco stuff on my STi was warped after a year"... then I can use my brain-meats, and figure out that this might... might... be indicative of future results on the FR-S.

But I forgot... I'm on the internet. Worse, I'm on a car forum. My bad.
no need to overreact. im not instigating. it might be worth considering that products for other cars have nothing to do with the products for the frs in the same fashion that it isnt fair to use experience with a corolla when explaining the frs. what i was saying about owning the products was that i doubt people have owned or driven both. what good does a comparison do if you only experience with one? strut bars can alter the precision feel of a car i admit. i had one on my ae86, but that was a 30 year old car and it also had struts. the rear shocks are not going to bear any load that a macpherson strut would see. i was simply pointing out that you probably shouldnt trust a company that fails to see the difference (or thinks that the consumer fails to see the difference).

how stiff do you need the chassis to be? all these braces seem to me like they are a relic from car culture past. cars are built more rigid each and every year. the interior light in my corolla used to come on under heavy loads, there i can see that helping but cars now...im not trying to start an internet fight so again, good luck in your search. i hope you get what you are looking for
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lol for someone "not trying to start an internet fight" you came on pretty heavy with the haterade for a while there. @OP, why don't you ask moto directly? he has cusco parts installed on his FRS and i'm sure he's had experience with TRD parts on his AE86.
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Definitely "go". These particular parts don't lend themselves well to showing off very well.

Really? Am i reading you right, that you feel the Cusco braces are more purpose built? Any particular reasons you've got to support that theory?
Im talking in general overall perspective of between these companies. As trd tend to make more mildy tuned suspension parts and cusco tend have more customization suspension parts. But when you look at simple parts such as strut brace, there isnt a much difference between one and another. Therefore i would go with something that looks better. Things to look for when buying strut brace are least amount of flexes, thick top mount, and possibly triangle support.

Also remember. Most of the cusco parts are Not designed ground up from the specific car, they are usually part designed on different car made to fit on specific cars. So as far as R&D, i would say trd has more time on
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Also remember. Most of the cusco parts are Not designed ground up from the specific car, they are usually part designed on different car made to fit on specific cars. So as far as R&D, i would say trd has more time on
You are 100% absolutely wrong. ALL Cusco products are developed chassis specific. TRD doesn't have a real advantage 'cause they couldn't produce an "aftermarket" product until the platform is finished. And TRD also shares their specs and data to Cusco, and Cusco actually do R&D with products with more "stress tolerance" for racing.
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You are 100% absolutely wrong. ALL Cusco products are developed chassis specific. TRD doesn't have a real advantage 'cause they couldn't produce an "aftermarket" product until the platform is finished. And TRD also shares their specs and data to Cusco, and Cusco actually do R&D with products with more "stress tolerance" for racing.
I'm willing to bet TRD does have the advantage. They most likely have all the access to prior R&D and all the info that went into the car
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You are 100% absolutely wrong. ALL Cusco products are developed chassis specific. TRD doesn't have a real advantage 'cause they couldn't produce an "aftermarket" product until the platform is finished. And TRD also shares their specs and data to Cusco, and Cusco actually do R&D with products with more "stress tolerance" for racing.
I dont know how much "racing" experience you have, but most of people will not use cusco suspension due to the lack of "stress tolerance" for racing. I for one had all cusco parts and now i have none. I see their parts fail all the time. Their products werent made with much thought into it

Seriously, cusco parts are mainly for show, just look at their cage, chassis/bumper braces, and etc. if you still believe that cusco parts are made for full on racing, i got nothing more to say
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