Only 20% of BRZs are auto? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Ezio · 05-22-2019, 01:09 PM

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/21/...smission-take/

8RZ · 05-22-2019, 02:00 PM

Cool.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134733

p1l0t · 05-22-2019, 02:35 PM

Lol did I start something? :hide:

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Dadhawk · 05-22-2019, 02:39 PM

Not sure what it proves though. 99% of the 86s (any flavor) were "spec" cars. In other words, buyers didn't order them that way, they bought what was on the lot.

Likely what happens is Subaru had fewer units, and they were stick. If that's what the buyer wanted, or could live with it, they bought it, or went over to Toyota and bought the AT. It's the reverse on the Toyota side.

More of them were AT. The buyer either accepted, searched for a Toyota MT, or went to Subaru and bought an MT because they had them.

In both cases, the transmission is not driving total sales numbers. Toybaru built what they wanted to build and people bought them as they were built. It would be different if the cars were built to order, then you would know the "real truth" about preferences.

BigTuna · 05-22-2019, 02:40 PM

He’s playing on the thread about the 86 being at only a 33% take rate. Hence the title being the written the same way.

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Tcoat · 05-22-2019, 03:08 PM

22% that is a 10% difference on the %

JD001 · 05-22-2019, 03:08 PM

Current BRZ count for the UK:

AT = 127
MT = 686

Rare car....

BigTuna · 05-22-2019, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

22% that is a 10% difference on the %

I think you've got one backwards.

33% of 86s are manual
78% of BRZs are manual

Not that it matters or proves anything, it is still an interesting statistic. I like @Dadhawk's theory/explanation though.

ScoobsMcGee · 05-22-2019, 04:27 PM

100% of BRZs are RWD*.

*stock

JD001 · 05-22-2019, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

100% of BRZs are RWD*.

*stock

Now, that is interesting. People familiar with the old skool Scoobies always ask if my car is 4WD..

Another interesting thing I read, majority of BMW 1 series drivers don't know that their car is a RWD...

WolfWings · 05-24-2019, 02:32 AM

Pretty simple reason actually:

BRZ's the cheapest models are manual, and in 2019 for example the automatic is an option only on the top-end model. So automatic? You'd be paying $3-5k more.

For the 86 you couldn't even get a manual on the cheap models in 2018. So stick-shift was a $3-5k premium surcharge in effect.

Just shows the cheaper models sold better, no surprise there, and Toyota (much like with the Yaris Hatchback in 2007 where you couldn't get a tachometer without getting the upgrade package that forced you to get an automatic) is arbitrarily crazy-pants about what options to offer at what price levels.

JD001 · 05-24-2019, 03:34 AM

IMHO I don't think it's a price thing that is determining whether it's an AT or MT. It's more related to how the car drives.

WolfWings · 05-24-2019, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD001

IMHO I don't think it's a price thing that is determining whether it's an AT or MT. It's more related to how the car drives.

I guess I worded it poorly, but I think it's more that if folks wanted a manual they'd seek out the BRZ as it was the more affordable manual by almost 20% of the cost of the car. But if they wanted an automatic or didn't care but just wanted the '86' they'd seek out the Toyota.

Tcoat · 05-24-2019, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I think you've got one backwards.

33% of 86s are manual
78% of BRZs are manual

Not that it matters or proves anything, it is still an interesting statistic. I like @Dadhawk's theory/explanation though.

I think you missed the math. The title says 20%. It is actually 22% so they missed the number by 10% of the %.

05-22-2019, 01:09 PM	#1
Ezio Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 2022 BRZ Location: Where the Woodbine Twineth... Posts: 30 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Only 20% of BRZs are auto? https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/21/...smission-take/

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