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Old 02-06-2012, 06:25 PM   #43
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fogs. this is getting weird. i guess i've spent too much time looking @ what are really JDM spec cars....because the USDM cars have the LED's in the front bumper that some JDM cars don't but have the round halogen fogs.
Gotcha. I'm really glad we don't have the blank opening on the premiums where the fog light is suppose to be the like jdm version
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:27 PM   #44
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:30 PM   #45
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:35 PM   #46
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Japan cars have LED strip as a ornament sorta option, other wise it's just a FOG or No FOG option. I kinda want just fog no LED strip my self but it's not ugly to have it or anything.
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It appears to be the difference of offering a "performance package" vs. a fully modified car that has actually been "breathed on" (a la BMW 3er w/ M sport pack vs. M3). However, the engines you speak of offered in STI products are performance tuned by Subaru and not STI, correct??
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You're posting is confusing. The North American STi's are great cars, I do understand the special models you are referring too (not north american models) tend to have actually custom parts e.g. cosworth etc.. for the car and be more on the liens of a race car and are better than just a regular north american sti, unless we start getting some like s206 etc

But you also need to remember the US STi uses different differentials,axles, turbo, block, heads, intake manifold, injectors, wheels, brakes, transmission THAN THE WRX!!!!!! they are all special to the sti model.


IF you are trying to say the new impreza will get a Sti non turbo model under the wrx you are totally 100% wrong.
I did not say the North American STI isn't great. However what im talking about is this..STi did not lead the manufacturing process the specific parts used in the WRX STI (Brakes, transmission, manifold). Subaru built it, manufactured by FHI and branded it STi. STi's actual involvement should have been very small in the development of the North American models.

STi, Nismo, Mugen, RallyArt, are all Motorsports Divisions. There are boundaries and limitations these closely nit tuning shops actually do for the parent companies as a whole.

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1. If Nissan develops a high performance trim 370z, it will make more power, and likely sport different parts under the premis of Nismo 370z regardless of Nismo's actual involvement.
2. If Nissan asks Nismo to offer a performance trim 370z, it will be stock with accessories.
3. If Nismo leads the development of a Nismo 370z limited run production car, you bet your ass its going to be turbo with gobs of power and new bits.


So when you give a WRX STi.....TO STi ...they make spectacular things. Of course when STi is leading a project, it works in-conjunction with Prodrive & cosworth. Just as TRD Japan works in conjunction with Yamaha.

The current impreza is split from WRX and WRX STI.....making Impreza and WRX two completely separate models.. and if Subaru asks STi to offer a trim for the current impreza..it will not be under the premius of Impreza WRX because it being a different car. This is why if Subaru asks STi for a trim, non-turbo Impreza tS is likely, the use of the FA16DIT is not likely.
The new WRX will obviously be using a 2.0L turbo, and any STI variant will not deviate from that unless.

Again, your thoughts of the STI image is very american, or so im told.
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Adds to torsional rigidity.
I apologize if I'm being stupid, but I see the pictures of the metal under the roof...
I see a piece of sheet metal bent in the shape of the roof, that will basically not resist torsion. I see 2 steel reinforcements running across it that probably will.
Can someone tell me why swapping in a fiberglass part for the metal panel on top will change anything?
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Oh and @ WoW or some other Subaru experts, how different do you think the STI will be from the regular BRZ? Do you think it's likely it'll just be weight reduction, suspension/brake upgrade?
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Oh and @ WoW or some other Subaru experts, how different do you think the STI will be from the regular BRZ? Do you think it's likely it'll just be weight reduction, suspension/brake upgrade?
I doubt it'll come out. Maybe an air intake down the road, but I really doubt there'll be a BRZ STI or anything beyond the BRZ (tuned by) STI we've already seen. It's essentially a BRZ tS. That said, I'm still interested in the supposed Bilstein damper setup it's sporting. The UK Imprezas had the PPP (Prodrive Power Pack) that, IIRC, included the OEM Bilstein setup which from what I hear was rather nice.
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the whole parts bin and sourcing debate is kind of interesting (for once) here just as this car is so focused on a parts-changing, tuner customer. Tetsuya Tada made it clear that was toyotas target and i think the RA pictured on steelies is evidence that this has crossed over to the subaru side. to me this says there will be a lot more OEM tuner parts than we have ever seen...

..maybe things like this come along?
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i for one would love to see a feedback from OEM engineers worked into this increased tuner focus concept, even if just through parts offerings. although i can only imagine some intellectual property or copyrights issues come along to muck it up anyway.
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I apologize if I'm being stupid, but I see the pictures of the metal under the roof...
I see a piece of sheet metal bent in the shape of the roof, that will basically not resist torsion. I see 2 steel reinforcements running across it that probably will.
Can someone tell me why swapping in a fiberglass part for the metal panel on top will change anything?
Subtracting less weight up top via light weight material roof, actually lowers the central mass of the car. (Also effecting CoG to be lower as well). The roof is actually a very ideal part of the car that could be better in weight savings.

As far as the roof panel actually seeing torsional stress or experiencing any sort of energy is kinda sketchy. Some cars have roof panels that do experience plenty of stress. Some cars panels roof panels actually do provide chassis rigity. As far as the BRZ/FRS...i cant remember what the frame looks like off the top of my head. I could probably take a pretty good guess.

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I doubt it'll come out. Maybe an air intake down the road, but I really doubt there'll be a BRZ STI or anything beyond the BRZ (tuned by) STI we've already seen. It's essentially a BRZ tS. That said, I'm still interested in the supposed Bilstein damper setup it's sporting. The UK Imprezas had the PPP (Prodrive Power Pack) that, IIRC, included the OEM Bilstein setup which from what I hear was rather nice.
I'm with Orbitalellipses on this one....a BRZ STI is unlikey at this point.. BRZ tS or a self-built BRZ tS is more probable.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:02 AM   #53
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^Ditto

They'll come w STI option parts, but no BRZ STI
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Okay cool thanks. By roof material I was talking about how would it affect torsional rigidity. In the Ken Gushi Greddy FRS build, they had a picture that showed some of the roof, it looks like reinforcements between the B pillars, and a single sheet of metal bent to the roof's shape sitting on top of it. I highly doubt the 2 creases that are there for aero do anything for the chassis.

If they come out with a lightweight roof that would be cool.
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Although the tSs first run of 500 units will be confined to the Japanese market, Subaru is seriously considering launching the line abroad. The tS concept could be stretched to other model lines, perhaps including the imminently arriving two-door sports car. We would like to see the tS further separated from the WRX and STI models, but the STI tS is a great first step. We will watch the market and would like to get a reaction, says Arai-san. Ours is emphatically positive.
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STI, tS, "special edition"... I don't care what it's called. Just don't want to pay for stock wheels/suspension and inevitably spend $3000+ to replace them with aftermarket wheels/tires/suspension+aero and leave me w/ unsellable stock parts that other owners won't need/want for a while. I'm hoping for a "tuned" package even if it's not for another year. I have a feeling buying these parts as dealer accessories will = wallet rape.
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