NASA TT - Lets talk about spending points!

[THEmailman]

Originally Posted by phastafrican

I'm not saying I expect them to break or crack.... but they are subject to bending. If a car is set up to go nuts on cornering speeds, which I think I'll be trying to focus on, then I'm concerned there's some flexing with a lowered car at >-3camber and >1.5g in the turn. My floor jack bends it when I test loading the suspension with the wheel off. I could be absolutely wrong as well, but wish I could have something beefier.

If you were to replace some of those parts that hit you with points but make the car stronger/more durable and reliable, would you still easily end up in TTC? Just curious what kind of competition is there vs TTD?

[JRE86]

Hi, I am new to NASA TT. planning to go to the TT event in Nov @ Sonoma raceway
I have a few question.

1) what safety gear my car need?
from reading the rule book, It seem like for my car(FRS stock TTD) need nothing more than what is needed for normal track day event. and myself I have all the safety gear(sa2005 helmet, racing suit, shoe, glove, etc....)

2) Godspeed coilover(cheap Taiwan stuff similar to T1R & Megan)
comes with camber plate & Pillow Ball Top Hat
5pts?

3) is my calculation correct?

+10pts 225mm Hankook C71
-4pts 225mm tire
+5pts Coilover godspeed
+1pts Remove R. bumper cover
+2pts Muffler delete
+5pts for whatever, weight etc....
Free:
hawk hp+ pad
17X7.5 wheel

thanks!

[phastafrican]

Originally Posted by THEmailman

If you were to replace some of those parts that hit you with points but make the car stronger/more durable and reliable, would you still easily end up in TTC? Just curious what kind of competition is there vs TTD?

Depends on which tires you choose. You can stay in TTD using a lower points costing tire and spend the points on any other parts you'd like.
To get to the top of Weight to Power will probably cost a lot in engine mods.
TTB 10.50:1
TTC 12.00:1
TTD 14.25:1

[phastafrican]

Originally Posted by JRE86

Hi, I am new to NASA TT. planning to go to the TT event in Nov @ Sonoma raceway
I have a few question.

1) what safety gear my car need?
from reading the rule book, It seem like for my car(FRS stock TTD) need nothing more than what is needed for normal track day event. and myself I have all the safety gear(sa2005 helmet, racing suit, shoe, glove, etc....)

2) Godspeed coilover(cheap Taiwan stuff similar to T1R & Megan)
comes with camber plate & Pillow Ball Top Hat
5pts?

3) is my calculation correct?

+10pts 225mm Hankook C71
-4pts 225mm tire
+5pts Coilover godspeed
+1pts Remove R. bumper cover
+2pts Muffler delete
+5pts for whatever, weight etc....
Free:
hawk hp+ pad
17X7.5 wheel

thanks!

1) TT is considered same as HPDE. Just need regular track day stuff.
2) Did you keep stock end links, or use adjustable end links. (+2 for non BTM end links)
3) Yup. That's right.

[JustDoItMikey]

Originally Posted by JRE86

Hi, I am new to NASA TT. planning to go to the TT event in Nov @ Sonoma raceway
I have a few question.

1) what safety gear my car need?
from reading the rule book, It seem like for my car(FRS stock TTD) need nothing more than what is needed for normal track day event. and myself I have all the safety gear(sa2005 helmet, racing suit, shoe, glove, etc....)

2) Godspeed coilover(cheap Taiwan stuff similar to T1R & Megan)
comes with camber plate & Pillow Ball Top Hat
5pts?

3) is my calculation correct?

+10pts 225mm Hankook C71
-4pts 225mm tire
+5pts Coilover godspeed
+1pts Remove R. bumper cover
+2pts Muffler delete
+5pts for whatever, weight etc....
Free:
hawk hp+ pad
17X7.5 wheel

thanks!

I will do my best to answer your questions but I am still learning so be sure to check if anyone else posts anything extra that I missed.

Firstly, you will not be able to drive in the TT event unless you have completed a HPDE 4 event with NASA first or have a NASA race license or (at the direction of the TT director) have a race license from another organization. I throw that in cause nothing is worse than getting your hopes up and getting shot down.

1) Safety Gear - For the NASA TT I believe all that is required is a SA 2005 or newer helmet, closed shoes (sneakers, not flip flops), and long cotton pants. Also keep in mind you will need the appropriate race numbers on both sides and the front and rear of the car and additional safety equipment is always recommended.

2) I am under the impression that those would only be assessed the points for non-BTM spring and shock so the 5 points as you have calculated is correct.

3) Calculations - All your calculations look accurate to me. Good idea to budget a few points for coming in under weight.

[JustDoItMikey]

Originally Posted by phastafrican

Depends on which tires you choose. You can stay in TTD using a lower points costing tire and spend the points on any other parts you'd like.
To get to the top of Weight to Power will probably cost a lot in engine mods.
TTB 10.50:1
TTC 12.00:1
TTD 14.25:1

Are those the power to weight max for each class? Good to know since I have a friend who wants to know about where his engine swapped E36 would fall....

[phastafrican]

Originally Posted by JustDoItMikey

Are those the power to weight max for each class? Good to know since I have a friend who wants to know about where his engine swapped E36 would fall....

Max adjusted power to weight. Running a 245 or smaller width DOT-R comp tire gets you +.8 back, but declared competition weight has weight-mod factors. See Appendix B of the TT rules. Must be good on points and adjusted weight/hp ratio. Usually not an issue for most competitors, but if you're maxing out any class, you'll have to know all the details.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by JustDoItMikey

Are those the power to weight max for each class? Good to know since I have a friend who wants to know about where his engine swapped E36 would fall....

Used to be, an engine swap required an interaction with the National TT Director, Greg Greenbaum - greg@nasa-tt.com. That's probably still the case, although I haven't read the rules in a while.

....

Yup, see the bottom of page 15: http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/time_trial_rules.pdf.

[JustDoItMikey]

Originally Posted by dradernh

Used to be, an engine swap required an interaction with the National TT Director, Greg Greenbaum - greg@nasa-tt.com. That's probably still the case, although I haven't read the rules in a while.

....

Yup, see the bottom of page 15: http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/time_trial_rules.pdf.

Yes I realize that is the only sure way to know. But having the power to weight numbers allows for some rough math to figure out where he will likely fall.

[Iwannajag]

So it looks like the feared 7 point initial assessment did not occur based on the rules ?


Any other recommendation in point allocation based on the new 2015 rule set


Is tires +9, Header +5 and Coilover/Springs +5 the most recommended setup ?

[ja1217]

Originally Posted by Iwannajag

So it looks like the feared 7 point initial assessment did not occur based on the rules ?


Any other recommendation in point allocation based on the new 2015 rule set


Is tires +9, Header +5 and Coilover/Springs +5 the most recommended setup ?

With the Hoosier A7's being +22 now, I would probably recommend going with 225 R7's (+6) and then use the remaining 3 points on other enhancements (like +1 clutch LSD, +2 bbk or something).

[JustDoItMikey]

My current setup / planned setup is as follows.

Current = 13:
Conti Dry / R7 +6 (2 point credit for using 225)
Non-BTM Struts +3
Non-BTM Springs +2
Non-BTM Calipers +2

Planned = 5:
Non-BTM Exhaust +5
Tune +0

Keep in mind I am new to all this and have very little testing time in that setup, but if you are trying to stay in the base class that really is the most logical build. We are limited to 200 hp, I think, so there isnt a whole lot to do to the engine besides exhaust and tune to free up torque. Suspension is a must and you can put together a great package for the 5 points. After that its a question of how many points you want to spend on tires and what to do with those few remaining points.

After just running my first weekend on the current setup I will say it felt great. Still trying to get a feel for everything (first time on R-comp let alone full slicks...) There is still a million adjustments to be made to get everything out of the setup but as a starting point it seems solid. Obviously things vary from track to track so what may work for me could be useless for you.

[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by JustDoItMikey

My current setup / planned setup is as follows.

Current = 13:
Conti Dry / R7 +6 (2 point credit for using 225)
Non-BTM Struts +3
Non-BTM Springs +2
Non-BTM Calipers +2

Planned = 5:
Non-BTM Exhaust +5
Tune +0

Keep in mind I am new to all this and have very little testing time in that setup, but if you are trying to stay in the base class that really is the most logical build. We are limited to 200 hp, I think, so there isnt a whole lot to do to the engine besides exhaust and tune to free up torque. Suspension is a must and you can put together a great package for the 5 points. After that its a question of how many points you want to spend on tires and what to do with those few remaining points.

After just running my first weekend on the current setup I will say it felt great. Still trying to get a feel for everything (first time on R-comp let alone full slicks...) There is still a million adjustments to be made to get everything out of the setup but as a starting point it seems solid. Obviously things vary from track to track so what may work for me could be useless for you.

This is similar to what we are looking at for our PTD/TTD Cars...

Coilovers +5
Sways +2
Conti or R6 +4
Exhaust +5
BBK +2
Pulleys +1

-mike

[Iwannajag]

Are you running your Spec86 config? How competitive is it with that setup?