All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

20% increase in displacement, 11% increase in hp.. lame

and that front bumper looks like a$$

and the rear tail lights look like a 8G accord coupe

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Seriously? And they only added 25hp with a 20% increase in displacement?

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Torque went from 150tq, or 156tq for the refresh, to 186tq, which is an increase of 24% or 19%. Torque is a factor of displacement and compression, which is why the torque numbers look so good, but horsepower is a factor of torque delivery at a particular rpm, so if they lose some torque up high then the peak horsepower number will look less impressive. Why not evaluate the torque dip for a peak horsepower gain? I'm sure if someone superimposed the new graph on top of the old graph, there would be much more area under the curve. In fact, the peak torque gain is probably more than the 30tq difference there. Considering the 1st gen lost 15-20tq in the dip, this 2nd gen may gain 40+tq, if it has a smaller dip, which means horsepower gain down low may be significant. Again, the area under the curve and the shape of the curve is much better. Torque comes on sooner, is more steady and is greater across the entire rev range. I'm sure the highest horsepower gain is closer to 20% or greater, even if the gain of peak horsepower is only 11%.

I suppose the question is how fast does this more rev up and how will this motor respond to mods. I'm sure E85 will liven it up even more because of the higher compression, and I wouldn't be surprise if the motor has more potential. I'm sure Subaru is holding back a little for a gen2 refresh down the road. If the reciprocating masses are terribly heavier because of the larger bore then it show rev well because of the same stroke.

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[noobcake]

not sure how I feel about the design. Looks kind of similar to the new Z. Not as mean as the first gen. IMO the supra is the only recent car that nailed the design from the get-go

[Denstoj]

Originally Posted by Wally86

First model years always have bugs. We'll see what bugs this one has in a couple of years.

Let's hope they fix the free-floating rocker issue!

[PorscheUnlimited16]

Highly interested. Although I am on the list for a Gt4 4.0, trading in my MY 16 gt4. I may finally consider swapping my 06 s2000 for one of these. That torque band is highly welcomed!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Why do you say that?

Read the link.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by olsonpg

Who in their right mind would get the new brz over a 400z?

Well, to be fair, I wouldn't get either if we are talking exterior design. On the 400z it just looks like they started at the back with the design, got to the A pillar and just gave up doing anything interesting forward of there. At least the BRZ has some character.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Red-86

And I have to say, I like it. I don't know why people are ragging on the interior, I think it looks decent and nicer than the gen 1 interior

I'd be quite happy with the interior. It's a nice upgrade without going all "Tesla" on it. I would miss the middle dash hump though, I think it helps make the interior a little more interesting.

[zc06_kisstherain]

as soon as i saw design of 2022 BRZ, i was like "WTF, it's Hyundai Tiburon at front and Accord at back" increased 2 Liter to 2.4 with power and Torque are nice but I can't justify to trade my 1st G to this. I'd rather do F/I on 1st Generation. just my thought

[Lantanafrs2]

If 86 owners taught the powers that be anything, it was that forced induction is not the answer for these cars. The tons of money that's been wasted on "supporting mods" that all end up in the classifieds for half price, the back and forth with tuners and datalogs......even toyotas supercharger project got scrapped

[Zacharary]

Anyone think the sound tube will be replaced by fake engine noise through speakers?

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Zacharary

Anyone think the sound tube will be replaced by fake engine noise through speakers?

Once it goes electric

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Why not evaluate the torque dip for a peak horsepower gain? I'm sure if someone superimposed the new graph on top of the old graph, there would be much more area under the curve. In fact, the peak torque gain is probably more than the 30tq difference there. Considering the 1st gen lost 15-20tq in the dip, this 2nd gen may gain 40+tq, if it has a smaller dip, which means horsepower gain down low may be significant. Again, the area under the curve and the shape of the curve is much better. Torque comes on sooner, is more steady and is greater across the entire rev range. I'm sure the highest horsepower gain is closer to 20% or greater, even if the gain of peak horsepower is only 11%.

Ugh thank you. Nobody thinks about the power under the curve until they FEEL IT. This new engine should feel massively faster if people do a tune and light wheels/tires. Hell, even stock it's probably going to feel a lot faster. Can't wait to see dyno graphs stock 2.4L vs stock 2.0 on the same dyno.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Zacharary

Anyone think the sound tube will be replaced by fake engine noise through speakers?

Yep. They will pipe sound in somehow. The tube isn't where it used to be but we can't see what is underneath everything.

[Atropine]

I have a 2020 4Runner Daily Driver that will be paid off in April (have to carry loan until April...otherwise I have to pay back my $1000 in dealer cash)

Anyway, I will test drive the Miata RF (again) and the 400Z and the BRZ...they all look great on paper...

First time in a long time that we have a real choice.

Also if they release a manual Supra...I would look into that a lot.

I miss my BRZ (sold it when my Grandfather gave me his 1991 BRG Miata...which I still have and its super fun).