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Tcoat · 10-10-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper

Sooooo......not one single person has mentioned the most influential part of the car contributing to its price...

The transmission.

The car is actually named after it. And it's a damn expensive transmission with an frs wrapped around it.

Named after the tranny? I have missed reading something someplace! Can you elaborate or point me to some reading? (NOT sarcasm truly curious)

NemesisPrime909 · 10-11-2014, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Phantobe

If they go in the FI direction I cannot see why Toyota wouldn't make the turbo compatible with the FA20. It would very dumb of them if they didn't. From both engineering and marketing standpoint.

Taking into consideration the amount of people that want more power, and those who are holding out on this platform until a higher hp/tq version comes out it really seems like a no-brainer if they are able to pull a profit on the forced induction kit.

You say that, but it's on record that the FA20 is an engine built to be modified. You can get up to 50 more HP with just aftermarket components alone.

Maybe I'm just annoyed but there have been soo many Turbo posts on this forum that if I had a dollar for every one I could buy at least two FR-S's (or one TRD86 14R60).

I'm guessing it's American thing, but power isn't everything. I like the idea of improving the chassis, weight, and handling while still carrying an intact interior. Then you have a car that's quick but still comfortable enough to live with on a day to day basis.

NemesisPrime909 · 10-11-2014, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RRnold

Yeah, this car isn't even coming to the US so it doesn't even matter.

I have a feeling the Griffion "street edition" is going to become the RS 2.0 FR-S

just remove the rear wing,canards, add a unique color, and there you go...or don't add a new color and make this the Monogram 2.0

NemesisPrime909 · 10-11-2014, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tyrantcf

In some ways yes. Not saying I'd buy the updated parts, but you wouldnt be a little bit pissed if they did that? I'm sure tons of people on here would be up in arms.

Nope, enjoy YOUR car. Don't worry about what the person next to you gets. honestly that time and energy is better spent elsewhere.

it's ok, you're no less of a person just because that person got a similar car with a power increase.

SuiSid3l · 10-11-2014, 02:26 AM

Am I the only one tiring off all these "special edition" versions of the 86? Of which 100 percent of them are strictly cosmetic upgrades. Just straight up milking the platform for all its worth.

teamturbo · 10-11-2014, 02:43 AM

Probaby costs $32,999 & 10 bags of rice.

Mim · 10-11-2014, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SuiSid3l

Am I the only one tiring off all these "special edition" versions of the 86? Of which 100 percent of them are strictly cosmetic upgrades. Just straight up milking the platform for all its worth.

Functional aero and a string of performance parts longer than most peoples arms is hardly 100% cosmetic. Jaded much?

Its a track weapon not something to be drifting through a local burger drive through!

abraxis · 10-11-2014, 04:13 AM

So it seems the people who often like to bash TRD for selling expensive ricey products rather than functional products are the same ones who now call the functional parts that TRD released ricey. I think that tells us something about how knowledgeable and valuable their opinions are.

fatalelement · 10-11-2014, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by abraxis

So it seems the people who often like to bash TRD for selling expensive ricey products rather than functional products are the same ones who now call the functional parts that TRD released ricey. I think that tells us something about how knowledgeable and valuable their opinions are.

There's people on this forum who put BOLT IN (problem 1) roll cages with shady s-bends (one of the most popular models that will remain nameless) and aftermarket steering wheels (no airbag) in their car with stock seatbelts and street drive them because their dream is to convert their heads into liquid in the slightest accident.

It's an internet forum, what do you expect.

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alan.chalkley · 10-11-2014, 04:32 AM

To sum it up.
It has some go fast bits added without a go fast engine , which equals go slower than a stock car.
So , to buy it and engineer a more power full engine would cost more than a nismo 370Z.

bunny86 · 10-11-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by alan.chalkley

To sum it up.
It has some go fast bits added without a go fast engine , which equals go slower than a stock car.
So , to buy it and engineer a more power full engine would cost more than a nismo 370Z.

To sum it all up, you're wrong.

Reaper · 10-11-2014, 01:15 PM

So I guess I'll post it again since no one can read.

Most of the cost of this car is the transmission. It's what the car is named after. The 14 R 60 Transmission is a BIG boys racing transmission.

That and I think it's got about 6-7000$ worth of brakes on it.

This car I ment to be bought and had a TRD sc slapped on it and then raced. I'm almost willing to bet they needed to sell 100 of these to be eligible for something. A race class or something. Though usually it's 3,000 not 100. Just like the trd sc. They couldn't use it until it was made "available" to the public. Yes that's right anyone can buy the TRD sc. It just costs 20k $ see? But now they can race it in alot more classes.

ichitaka05 · 10-11-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

I have a feeling the Griffion "street edition" is going to become the RS 2.0 FR-S

just remove the rear wing,canards, add a unique color, and there you go...or don't add a new color and make this the Monogram 2.0

No it won't. Why/proof? No proof, just my guess

Sideways&Smiling · 10-11-2014, 02:58 PM

I think it looks fucking awesome and the Griffon is fast as fuck around Tsukuba for only being at 230hp.

However, you could produce something similar for much less money while still using top tier, high-end parts. OS Giken diff, Voltex aero and wing, AP Racing brakes, etc.... The "transmission" is just a new gear set, right? Companies like OS Giken have produced similar products in the past and usually run around $3000-$4000, but they almost always still have issues holding power without breaking. Usually people skip over these options to go with things like a Getrag V160 for street cars or drift/drag or custom sequential transmissions made by Hewland, Hollinger, etc. for real racecars (ex: time attack). If you were going to spend $4000-$8000 on a transmission, you'd probably want to go for one of these.

The carbon roof is probably one of the only items included here that wouldn't be very easy to do on your own. I wonder how much weight it drops. For that matter, I wonder what the curb weight is of this car. The Griffon was down to like 2300 pounds, wasn't it?

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10-11-2014, 02:26 AM	#103
SuiSid3l Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Whiteout White Location: Arizona Posts: 139 Thanks: 9 Thanked 40 Times in 30 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Am I the only one tiring off all these "special edition" versions of the 86? Of which 100 percent of them are strictly cosmetic upgrades. Just straight up milking the platform for all its worth.

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teamturbo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: FR-S Location: Missouri Posts: 218 Thanks: 137 Thanked 110 Times in 61 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Probaby costs $32,999 & 10 bags of rice.

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abraxis Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: many Location: here Posts: 487 Thanks: 190 Thanked 279 Times in 152 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So it seems the people who often like to bash TRD for selling expensive ricey products rather than functional products are the same ones who now call the functional parts that TRD released ricey. I think that tells us something about how knowledgeable and valuable their opinions are.

10-11-2014, 04:32 AM	#108
alan.chalkley Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 4wd zooks Location: Sydney / Australia Posts: 495 Thanks: 135 Thanked 167 Times in 108 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	To sum it up. It has some go fast bits added without a go fast engine , which equals go slower than a stock car. So , to buy it and engineer a more power full engine would cost more than a nismo 370Z.

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Sideways&Smiling Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: AP2 S2000, S14 240sx Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 967 Thanks: 446 Thanked 484 Times in 288 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think it looks fucking awesome and the Griffon is fast as fuck around Tsukuba for only being at 230hp. However, you could produce something similar for much less money while still using top tier, high-end parts. OS Giken diff, Voltex aero and wing, AP Racing brakes, etc.... The "transmission" is just a new gear set, right? Companies like OS Giken have produced similar products in the past and usually run around $3000-$4000, but they almost always still have issues holding power without breaking. Usually people skip over these options to go with things like a Getrag V160 for street cars or drift/drag or custom sequential transmissions made by Hewland, Hollinger, etc. for real racecars (ex: time attack). If you were going to spend $4000-$8000 on a transmission, you'd probably want to go for one of these. The carbon roof is probably one of the only items included here that wouldn't be very easy to do on your own. I wonder how much weight it drops. For that matter, I wonder what the curb weight is of this car. The Griffon was down to like 2300 pounds, wasn't it?

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