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09-26-2012, 03:11 PM | #1 | ||
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The Smart Money: FR-S Vs Cayman S Comparison by Car and Driver
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Car and Driver puts the FR-S and a few other cars up against more expensive "similar" cars. Quote:
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09-26-2012, 03:33 PM | #2 |
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I don't understand why they compared it to Cayman "S with wheel upgrade".
It would've been more interesting if they compared it to a base Cayman. Still interesting though. |
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They didn't go into much detail about the driving differences but it sounds like the FR-S has a little bit looser handling and less steering wheel feedback (compared to hydraulic power steering). But the FR-S has a better manual transmission, clutch, and brake pedal feel. And obviously the Porsche has more power and a better sounding engine. But I don't think most of us can afford or justify spending 3x the price of an FR-S on one. And to be honest, I'd still rather have an FR-S for the extra space/convenience of fold down rear seats, and easier/cheaper maintenance. But yes, there's no denying the greatness of Porsche. However, they do seem to be getting more and more expensive...
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I subscribe to Car and Driver and I really got a chuckle out of the article because of all the cars on the road, if I really let myself go ballistic I'd buy a Cayman. But, I won't let myself spend that kind of money. Besides there's no way any car, I don't care what, could give me three or four times the pleasure I get out of driving my FR-S.
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My favorite line from the article:
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Either way, Cayman like sports car for a 3rd of the price, you've got to be happy with that. |
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they keep mentioning the engine is mid-mounted in the porka, i thought it was a rear-engined car :S is that just the 911??
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I could afford a Cayman, but I could never afford to enjoy it; for me a car has to be disposable, in that if I screw up and wad it into a little ball, I can afford to walk to the dealer and buy a new one without involving an insurance company or bank. Its like having two bullets in your gun rather than one.
The FRS fits this bill, the Porshe, no so much. |
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Actually one of the things I enjoyed most about driving the Cayman S was hearing the engine noise coming from directly behind you. |
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+1, I would love to own a Cayman, but it is just too hard for me to justify the cost (purchase price, insurance, and to maintain it) |
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If you look at the price difference between the FR-S and the Cayman S ..
Add: HKS Supercharger Header-back system of your choice KW V3 or similar suspension. Cusco braces 17/18" lightweight wheels with good spec tires You've spent under 15K on top of the base price and you're rolling in a car that you actually can compare to the Cayman S in a heads-up manner.
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There's no such thing as a base porsche. Walking through a dealership and looking at the window stickers is hysterical. I'd guess that most of the options are pretty much ubiquitous. Our family has a used 911 s and while there's no question that it's significantly more fun to drive than my BRZ, it's not over three times the amount of fun to drive (and that was the used price). Bottom line for me though, is I'm happy there are such great cars in the Porsche price range and happy that Toyobaru have created one in the BRZ/FRS price range. Great for car guys.
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The Cayman S costs 3 times as much but is it really 3 times better overall? Not in my opinion. A good used Cayman S can be had for about $40k (meaning low mileage, maintained with full service records, not some auction special with 60+k miles and no history for $30k), so that makes a compelling argument. $40k is still out of my price range and I refuse to buy a sketchy Porsche for less. Plus the early Caymans are known for IMS bearing failures, so if I bought one that hadn't had an upgraded bearing installed, I'd want to get it done right away, meaning the engine would have to come out and that's gonna be $2-3k in parts/labor right off the bat.
They sure are great cars if you can afford them. I just can't Someday...
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