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Just remember you should run what you need for how you run your engine. Street guys and NA guys just don't have the need for the higher oil pressures and they don't see the elevated oil temps. As a rule of thumb you have more oil pressure, as the OP shows, with cooler than hotter oil temps.
Know what your oil pressure needs are, get an oil pressure gauge, monitor pressure, and adjust viscosity as needed to get the oil pressure you need. Oil brands matter but you will find that Amsoil, Red Line, and Motul often stay in grade better than chain store oil brands as the temps rise. Nerd data is out there comparing viscosity at very high temps and some are just way better than others. |
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I think that even a 5w30 oil is not suitable for short races. Bride team is using in the Gazoo 86/brz races (a race of just 10 rounds) a 5w40 oil.
The decision of the factory to use a 0w20 oil was just for consumption purposes. It is a pretty much a useless oil for racing or spirited driving. |
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Could you tell me which are temperature and oil pressure adequate job in this car? thank you
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last year, I have been trying to explain why the 0w-20 would be a bad idea for track use (even for a stock car) but most people argued and tried to explain how good is the ester based oils I was running Mobil 1 0w-40 at that time, also tried Motul V300 5w-30 and Mobil 1 5w-30 after that.. between the Motul V300 and the Mobil 1 5w-30 (same ambient temps and power) I didn't see a big difference in terms of the oil temps and the recovery time and since the Mobil 1 5w-30 is drastically cheaper than the Motul, changing the cheaper Mobil oil more often made more sense.. if you think about it if you ever see the oil temps above 280F that oil should be changed immediately, regardless of the tag price In my experience Mobil 1 5w-30, keeping the oil temps below 270-280 range and changing the oil more often seems to be working better than running 0w-40 grade oil, since both my friends and I had the similar experience after switching back to the 5w-30 .. thicker oil doesn't always mean a better protection or more stable oil temps (and ultimately more stable pressures) .. the key is the "ideal grade" for the application, I've replied the below on a similar topic : Quote:
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Just to add two more pennies to the pile, the first number is the base weight of the oil. The second number refer to the viscosity enhancers. The base oil follows the standard tables for "thinning out" with temperature. The enhancers make the oil act like it is thicker when it gets hot. The enhancers are supposed to follow the SAE guidelines but there are differences between manufacturers and types of oil. Multi viscosity oils allow us to drive over a wide range of temperatures without changing oil.
That being said, the engine build is set up with internal tolerances that dictate the weight of oil for different temperatures. A loose race engine will have large tolerances and will "wind" faster and have less internal friction; but will need a higher base weight oil (often a strait 50w). The other consideration is the other additives in the oil. Race oils have different properties than street oils and are designed for short term use. Do you change oil after each track session? Do you have a track built engine? Ok, so I got wound up and spent four cents. |
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Why do you say that NA guys don't need higher oil pressures say for instance at 270F degrees? Since both NA or FI suffer from the same oil pressure issue at the given temp regardless of the power levels. What makes you think that those brands stay better? Mobil 1 5w-30 provides equal or better viscosity grades than those brands you mentioned at 1/4 of the cost
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@PST forgot to ask; How did you gather this data? by merging Aim MXL2 data with oil pressure gauge readings? The chart looks like a "plotted dot " vs a "sparkline"graph.
I am having hard time understand why the fluctuations are Huge within the same temps ( e.g 16psi/kRPM vs 7psi/kRPM at 240F) Thanks again for sharing
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The differences across a given temperature could be any number of things. We'd have to go back and look at other channels like speed, water temps, etc. to guess what it might be. That's a lot of work, and that's why trends are useful. |
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Will you be able to create the same graph by holding the engine speed constant at 7000 RPM? so it doesn't have to be the psi/kRPM at that point and we can only use PSI values. you may also provide the raw data (table) if possible
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