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Ashikabi · 11-18-2020, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomm

I could definitely see the 2.4L displacement being very responsive to boost. Yea the more I dig into the LS swap, the less I want it - but the cool factor is thru the roof.

It's very very expensive. Like, if you're not dead set on the twins, you should just go buy a Corvette. It'll handle better, ride better, higher quality, pretty much everything is better. Except it's not as cool

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NoHaveMSG · 11-18-2020, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dragoontwo

I think it would all depend on sensors used. If both engines have the same sensors it should be close to a direct swap. Especially if you can swap sensors over. We'll have to wait almost a year to see, really.

The FA20DIT is not even close to a direct swap. I couldn't imagine this will be any better. The timing cover didn't even fit off the DIT to our motor so we could use the bigger oil pump.

Tcoat · 11-18-2020, 01:04 PM

If people can squeeze 2Jz and LS engines in there anything can be done. Will it be drop in and plug and play? Not a hope. Could it be done? Certainly.
Probably be a matter of diminishing returns on cost though.
If you are going to pay the cost of buying an engine (could be years before they are cheap), converting all the mounts, lines, etc that have already been mentioned, getting a bus and ecu that works and all the other goodies needed just to gain 50HP or so you may as well have gone to one of the already exiting and established swaps and really upped the ante. Or just go balls out on the existing engine.

Tcoat · 11-18-2020, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomm

I could definitely see the 2.4L displacement being very responsive to boost. Yea the more I dig into the LS swap, the less I want it - but the cool factor is thru the roof.

Have you seen the compression ratio yet? The response to boost may very well be BOOM!

PulsarBeeerz · 11-18-2020, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Have you seen the compression ratio yet? The response to boost may very well be BOOM!

No kidding, it looks like bolt-ons and E85 are once again the safest bet. For the price it'll likely cost to swap a FA24 in, one could probably swap in a K24 via the K-Industries K24 swap currently be developmented. Speculation on either side ATM of course.

Dzmitry · 11-18-2020, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

No kidding, it looks like bolt-ons and E85 are once again the safest bet. For the price it'll likely cost to swap a FA24 in, one could probably swap in a K24 via the K-Industries K24 swap currently be developmented. Speculation on either side ATM of course.

And honestly, I don't see it needing anymore. It will already be peppy from the get-go. The hopes for tuners will be how much they can get out of it, even on 91/93 octane with say a header and tune. Considering the displacement change and the power gain, I'm sure there's a decent bit left over to play with. I don't like throwing guessing numbers around, but I'm sure people will see 250 at the crank after a good setup before E85 ever comes into play. That should be PLENTY of power for many, and probably at a small expense as it is now.

NoHaveMSG · 11-18-2020, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Have you seen the compression ratio yet? The response to boost may very well be BOOM!

One of the videos I was watching on the 2nd gen, the guy was talking about how the turbo accent made 500whp on e85 mods on a stock block so this should respond well too

I shut it off at that point.

Tcoat · 11-18-2020, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

One of the videos I was watching on the 2nd gen, the guy was talking about how the turbo accent made 500whp on e85 mods on a stock block so this should respond well too

I shut it off at that point.

Until somebody can recommend a video where it isn't some annoying flatbrimmed d1ck that makes a living by doing semi reviews, somebody that obviously has no clue what they are talking about but has 200,000,000 viewers anyway, some whinny arm waving hyperactive parrot or a combination of all of those I will refrain from watching any reviews.
I learn nothing from most and just get annoyed at the stupidity of many.

AutoNewb · 11-18-2020, 02:45 PM

My point is... if a swap is doable for $5000-$7000 (including crate engine) its worth it. You wont have to worry about blowing your high mileage FA20 on boost and in addition to the boost costs.

Like someone mentioned its a cost analysis. I'm banking on no stand alone ECU. That's the most expensive part in any engine swap.

IMHO, its not even worth it to shove $20-25k for a 2JZ/LS. Engine swaps are expensive and I hate it but I love it.

NoHaveMSG · 11-18-2020, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoNewb

My point is... if a swap is doable for $5000-$7000 (including crate engine) its worth it. You wont have to worry about blowing your high mileage FA20 on boost and in addition to the boost costs.

Like someone mentioned its a cost analysis. I'm banking on no stand alone ECU. That's the most expensive part in any engine swap.

IMHO, its not even worth it to shove $20-25k for a 2JZ/LS. Engine swaps are expensive and I hate it but I love it.

We don’t know enough. What oil pump is in it? Are we going to have to worry about oil pressure again? Cost is not worth it if it has the same issues, the power difference is not that substantial enough to justify having the same problems.

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DarkPira7e · 11-18-2020, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoNewb

My point is... if a swap is doable for $5000-$7000 (including crate engine) its worth it. You wont have to worry about blowing your high mileage FA20 on boost and in addition to the boost costs.

Why would you swap in an OEM block if you're worried about blowing an OEM block? You can get a built engine designed for boost for 4k and have no sensor/wiring/anything headaches..

I'm most interested in suspension/transmission/diff info. I'd love if this had a stronger transmission (theoretically it should, but who knows)

Tomm · 11-18-2020, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Have you seen the compression ratio yet? The response to boost may very well be BOOM!

Very true. I can’t imagine it being any more than 12.5:1. Personally I’d take the fa24 out of the new Ascent - 260hp/277tq

PulsarBeeerz · 11-18-2020, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomm

Very true. I can’t imagine it being any more than 12.5:1. Personally I’d take the fa24 out of the new Ascent - 260hp/277tq

Its 13.5:1..

Tomm · 11-18-2020, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

Its 13.5:1..

I give up, there is no reason to do this swap.

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