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Old 10-06-2020, 07:30 AM   #1835
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@mazeroni The vertical cut at the door is because of the curtain. Check the other pictures. They don't have this cut and the door appears same with existing generation.
Not that vertical line. He is talking about te door gap in front of the mirror that ends at the a pillar. It is not curved as much as the old one at the top.
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I am also wondering if Tada-san really involve in this 2nd Gen or not. Because there are no interview or any article from Tada-san for a long time. I hope someone in this forum may have the accurate info.
He has been busy with the Yaris GR. As he mentions in the video, he got the GT86 made, then the Supra, now it is all about creating a rally fighter/ race car that is 100% Toyota and not bound by any partner's involvment (I'm rephrasing what he said).

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Old 10-06-2020, 10:11 AM   #1837
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I don't think Tada-san has any relationship with the GR Yaris or other rally car. He is retired. Maybe you confused him with someone else.
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I believe that Tada-San is not involved at all in the new generation. It was heard at some point of time that most of the development team was changed too.
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I don't think Tada-san has any relationship with the GR Yaris or other rally car. He is retired. Maybe you confused him with someone else.
I don't know that he is fully "retired" yet but @ichitaka05 interviewed him late last year and he said that not only did he have nothing to do with the Gen 2 but the whole team is different. Ichi also said that the Gen 2 is pretty much a Subaru projects with very, very little input from Toyota.
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I don't think Tada-san has any relationship with the GR Yaris or other rally car. He is retired. Maybe you confused him with someone else.

Most decidedly NOT Tada
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I don't know that he is fully "retired" yet but @ichitaka05 interviewed him late last year and he said that not only did he have nothing to do with the Gen 2 but the whole team is different. Ichi also said that the Gen 2 is pretty much a Subaru projects with very, very little input from Toyota.
How much you want to bet that discussion can be found earlier in this thread?
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How much you want to bet that discussion can be found earlier in this thread?
Yep. Several threads for that matter.
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Oh, yes, I am confusing people. Tada-san =/= Akio Toyoda. But I think my point still stands. Toyota has moved onto projects that are more exciting and probably a better use of engineers and staff. Let Subaru own the development process entirely.
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I don't know that he is fully "retired" yet but @ichitaka05 interviewed him late last year and he said that not only did he have nothing to do with the Gen 2 but the whole team is different. Ichi also said that the Gen 2 is pretty much a Subaru projects with very, very little input from Toyota.
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Oh, yes, I am confusing people. Tada-san =/= Akio Toyoda. But I think my point still stands. Toyota has moved onto projects that are more exciting and probably a better use of engineers and staff. Let Subaru own the development process entirely.
To clarify some stuff.

Correct, Tada-san is not involved in gen 2 86/BRZ at ALL. None, nada, zip, zero! They were in same building, but he was involved in Supra by the time gen 2 started. A lot of Toyota staffs who worked on gen 1 have quit, retired or deployed to different projects, so Toyota won't have any staffs who help build gen 1 won't be there help develop gen 2. Plus Subaru have different idea in mind for gen 2 anyways.

This isn't 100% sure, but from what I'm heard (both inside & outside), it was part of the deal, for gen 2, Subaru will be involved more than Toyota. Both staffs will be involved, but a lot of decision will be made by Subaru. This is why I was upset with a lot of stupid decisions made by them (can't say). Funny part is, they backed out of some of decision and actually went back redone a lot of things correctly... but some of decision made me SMH.

...but again, Toyota won't be losing much from not involving in gen 2. In reality, they can even axe next gen 86 and let Subaru keep making gen 2 BRZ themselves won't hurt Toyota one single bit (which was in discussion inside for a long time... so I heard). All they need to do is, tell Supra team to make MT option and you got yourself better BRZ alternative.

With all said and done, I don't know all the detail specs of next gen, but if everything I heard is correct, it could be a nice car. Better? Questionable, maybe to some ppl. As for me, I'm happy with my current twin & won't trade it in for next gen.
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To clarify some stuff.

Correct, Tada-san is not involved in gen 2 86/BRZ at ALL. None, nada, zip, zero! They were in same building, but he was involved in Supra by the time gen 2 started. A lot of Toyota staffs who worked on gen 1 have quit, retired or deployed to different projects, so Toyota won't have any staffs who help build gen 1 won't be there help develop gen 2. Plus Subaru have different idea in mind for gen 2 anyways.

This isn't 100% sure, but from what I'm heard (both inside & outside), it was part of the deal, for gen 2, Subaru will be involved more than Toyota. Both staffs will be involved, but a lot of decision will be made by Subaru. This is why I was upset with a lot of stupid decisions made by them (can't say). Funny part is, they backed out of some of decision and actually went back redone a lot of things correctly... but some of decision made me SMH.

...but again, Toyota won't be losing much from not involving in gen 2. In reality, they can even axe next gen 86 and let Subaru keep making gen 2 BRZ themselves won't hurt Toyota one single bit (which was in discussion inside for a long time... so I heard). All they need to do is, tell Supra team to make MT option and you got yourself better BRZ alternative.

With all said and done, I don't know all the detail specs of next gen, but if everything I heard is correct, it could be a nice car. Better? Questionable, maybe to some ppl. As for me, I'm happy with my current twin & won't trade it in for next gen.
Maybe once it's all out in the open and released you can share some of those "decisions". Super curious now... Thanks for sharing what you can Ichi!!

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With all said and done, I don't know all the detail specs of next gen, but if everything I heard is correct, it could be a nice car. Better? Questionable, maybe to some ppl. As for me, I'm happy with my current twin & won't trade it in for next gen.
Well.. some of us took the same decision. To keep the existing cars or even swap to a latest manufacturing year car. This doesn't mean I am not happy seeing that the next generation will happen after all. I really hope the best to the next generation. Who knows.. Maybe people will like it and even make the same success of the current generation. Maybe it 'll be an even better car with a better torque curve in mid range that so many people want. Either we like it or not it doesn't matter. From my point of view it is better to see a next generation, than axe the project.
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1st gen 86 sidmarkers had a certain charm about them. especially the aftermarket ones... these, not so much it seems. also is a nice subtle sign of aftermarket support when you've got like 3 million different kinds of side markers to choose from
Wait.....you guys still have side markers on your cars? Mine eject themselves every time I have a minor off track excursion
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To clarify some stuff.

Correct, Tada-san is not involved in gen 2 86/BRZ at ALL. None, nada, zip, zero! They were in same building, but he was involved in Supra by the time gen 2 started. A lot of Toyota staffs who worked on gen 1 have quit, retired or deployed to different projects, so Toyota won't have any staffs who help build gen 1 won't be there help develop gen 2. Plus Subaru have different idea in mind for gen 2 anyways.

This isn't 100% sure, but from what I'm heard (both inside & outside), it was part of the deal, for gen 2, Subaru will be involved more than Toyota. Both staffs will be involved, but a lot of decision will be made by Subaru. This is why I was upset with a lot of stupid decisions made by them (can't say). Funny part is, they backed out of some of decision and actually went back redone a lot of things correctly... but some of decision made me SMH.

...but again, Toyota won't be losing much from not involving in gen 2. In reality, they can even axe next gen 86 and let Subaru keep making gen 2 BRZ themselves won't hurt Toyota one single bit (which was in discussion inside for a long time... so I heard). All they need to do is, tell Supra team to make MT option and you got yourself better BRZ alternative.

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I think 2nd Gen will more luxurious/comfortable and better for daily. Like more sound insulation, softer ride quality like Miata, and less tail happy


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