Heel Toe - detailed video (pretty good)

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

Only thing I disagree with is braking before clutching. I always clutch let the car come down and if it can't come down fast enough I'll tap the breaks to enter my next gear speed. I have never and probably will never brake then clutch

Disagree with what?

How you downshift is entirely dependent on your driving needs.

Regular downshift as you coast, you don't need brakes.
Downshift at the track? You need to brake first then downshift as you are braking so you maintain maximum velocity at all times.

-alex

[paiceyfan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Clutch downshift, clutch downshift, clutch downshift. Brake. Clutch.

Being an older guy...I agree with this, but my dad would tell me use your brakes, they're cheaper than a clutch! I rarely brake...

[VuDism]

I personally prefer granny shifting - not double clutching like I should...
But to each his own...

[lancie]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Clutch downshift, clutch downshift, clutch downshift. Brake. Clutch.

Durante un test drive in pista Un famoso ex pilota italiano mi disse : " è meglio far fuori i freni che far fuori un motore "

So....

BRAKE,brake,clutch downshift,clutch downshift

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VuDism

I personally prefer granny shifting - not double clutching like I should...
But to each his own...

I have been waiting for this over three different threads now! Was starting to get disappointed.

[Tcoat]

Damn those accents and their blocking of quotes!




During a test drive on track A famous former Italian rider said: " it is better to take out the brakes that take out an engine "


As Strat pointed out in his earlier post there is indeed a difference in what should be done on the road vs the track. Even then if your "Italian Rider" is not capable of a safe downshift then it may explain why he is "former".

[RichardsFRS]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Disagree with what?

How you downshift is entirely dependent on your driving needs.

Regular downshift as you coast, you don't need brakes.
Downshift at the track? You need to brake first then downshift as you are braking so you maintain maximum velocity at all times.

-alex

Guess that's why I've never ventured into heel toe brake clutch, I don't track my car. If I had extra one, Id be at Road Atlanta all the time

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

Guess that's why I've never ventured into heel toe brake clutch, I don't track my car. If I had extra one, Id be at Road Atlanta all the time

If I wasn't in a financial position to drive this car hard at the track/autox (still currently worth >$15k) I'd sell it and whatever would allow me to have fun again.

Totally agree, heel-toe-double-clutch-downshifting is totally unnecessary.

Took the time to learn on my way to work and picking up milk on the way home, totally helped when it came to burning rubber.



Great, now I'm looking up Integra's on craigslist again...

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Totally agree, heel-toe-double-clutch-downshifting is totally unnecessary.

3 pedals and stick are unnecessary as well. But we have them so we can play with them. Necessity is mostly irrelevant when it comes to entertaining ourselves.

Nailing a perfect HTDC, always delivers a quality sense of satisfaction.


edit: Videos are more fun:

S2000 at the ring
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Ayrton Senna wearing loafers:
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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Old guys who drove old cars learned to double clutch as well because after 20k their synchros didn't work worth a damn.

My dad racing my car: It wasn't until I put a camera in it did I realize he was heal-toe-double-clutching the whole time. Go dad!

Dad's awesome! I giggled out loud.

For the heel-toe guys I'll say it again in this thread. Pedal dance also eliminates that annoying throttle-cut-while-braking mode. It actually responds like a real throttle. Don't take my word for it. Try it!

[joe strummer]

Don't know anything about heel-toe shifting, but that Engineering Explained guy is the coolest kid in the internet. It would be awesome to sit next to him on an airplane for a few hours.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Disagree with what?

How you downshift is entirely dependent on your driving needs.

Regular downshift as you coast, you don't need brakes.
Downshift at the track? You need to brake first then downshift as you are braking so you maintain maximum velocity at all times.

-alex

Exactly this. Day to day driving at normal surface road speeds shouldn't really require heel/toe action. The "toe" part of heel/toe comes into play specifically when you are maintaining speed as long as possible and then need to decrease, downshift, and power quickly for your corners. It's much easier to do under these circumstances vs tooling around town.

Also, on our car I've found it's more like right edge of foot/left edge of foot and it takes a pretty hefty amount of gas to get the revs up. My mom's Z3 is a much easier car to heel toe in for example, but it's because it's all analog.

[JD001]

To slow a vehicle the most accurate and reliable method is to use the brakes. Heal and toe allows the driver to stay on the brakes longer whilst selecting the correct gear for the corner.

Using just gears to slow a vehicle comes into play when brakes are made redundant through failure or when driving on slippery surfaces when braking will just lock the wheels.

Obviously if you just hooning then it don't matter as you're in total control of your vehicle you know what you're doing.. sarcasm can be added to this paragraph.