10-18-2019, 11:15 AM | #15 |
Pavement Grey
Join Date: Dec 2011
Drives: 2020 Toyota 86 GT, 2017 BMW X1
Location: Calgary
Posts: 3,088
Thanks: 109
Thanked 2,223 Times in 1,205 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Everyone wants MOAR POWERS until you drive around and realize you cant even use most of it.
You're either trying to maximize power use on a track (if you go to one), or you're using around 100hp in everyday driving (with the occasional 1 second burst to over 200 just to overtake someone) |
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Sasquachulator For This Useful Post: | Feistyfrog (10-18-2019), Hoahao (10-18-2019), Rach-82 (10-22-2019), Tcoat (10-18-2019), why? (10-18-2019) |
10-18-2019, 11:17 AM | #16 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Drives: Bone stock
Location: Windsor, CT
Posts: 767
Thanks: 535
Thanked 232 Times in 162 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk |
|
10-18-2019, 11:30 AM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Drives: 18 BRZ tS
Location: NorCal
Posts: 102
Thanks: 21
Thanked 44 Times in 27 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Are some of you saying that headers and tune don't make for a better feeling car? You prefer less power and crappy torque? Even the original had a 4AGZE option.
Sent from my LG-H932 using Tapatalk |
10-18-2019, 11:45 AM | #18 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 2020 Hakone
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 69,845
Thanks: 61,656
Thanked 108,286 Times in 46,456 Posts
Mentioned: 2495 Post(s)
Tagged: 50 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Are you trying to blame power for cars passing at 75mph? Is that the top speed you can get? Would more power help at all when doing 75? You do have a shift lever or paddles right? DRIVE THE FUCKING THING!
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
|
|
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post: | Adam_L (10-19-2019), AnalogMan (10-19-2019), DarkPira7e (10-19-2019), DarkSunrise (10-24-2019), Feistyfrog (10-18-2019), humfrz (10-18-2019), mrg666 (10-19-2019), Pedro13 (10-18-2019), soundman98 (10-18-2019), suzyj (10-19-2019), why? (10-18-2019) |
10-18-2019, 11:47 AM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 2020 Hakone
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 69,845
Thanks: 61,656
Thanked 108,286 Times in 46,456 Posts
Mentioned: 2495 Post(s)
Tagged: 50 Thread(s)
|
I am perfectly happy with the feel of my car without mods thank you very much. I didn't buy it as a dragster.
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
|
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post: |
10-18-2019, 11:47 AM | #20 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Drives: 2005 Toyota Camry
Location: 91745
Posts: 6,562
Thanks: 493
Thanked 6,093 Times in 3,029 Posts
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
|
|
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to mav1178 For This Useful Post: | AnalogMan (10-19-2019), Audio (10-18-2019), KR-S (10-19-2019), Mr.ac (10-24-2019), Pat (10-19-2019), soundman98 (10-18-2019), strat61caster (10-18-2019), Tcoat (10-18-2019), weederr33 (10-18-2019), why? (10-18-2019) |
10-18-2019, 11:48 AM | #21 |
FR Noob
Join Date: Jun 2013
Drives: FR-S
Location: DFW
Posts: 792
Thanks: 218
Thanked 614 Times in 318 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
|
How much power needed for a perfect 86/BRZ is subjective.. A header and tune makes the car comes alive more. But then what about boost? It'll make the car even better. But what about LS or 2JZ swap? It'll make it even better and more reliable than boosting the stock engine...
__________________
"I'm having too much fun to care about horsepower" - Unknown
6MT FR-S Whiteout:OFT- OTS V2 Stage 2 (93oct & E85), Tomei UEL, Invidia OP, JDL UltraQuiet FP, Ark Grip catback, GS hood struts, Perrin Inlet & K&N drop-in |
10-18-2019, 11:51 AM | #22 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 2020 Hakone
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 69,845
Thanks: 61,656
Thanked 108,286 Times in 46,456 Posts
Mentioned: 2495 Post(s)
Tagged: 50 Thread(s)
|
And the award for yet another stupid fucking thread with no purpose and just a rehash of the same old debates goes to...
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
|
The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post: | 5H1F7Y (10-24-2019), AnalogMan (10-19-2019), BigTuna (10-18-2019), davesrave (10-18-2019), fang_gt86 (10-18-2019), Hoahao (10-18-2019), Mr.ac (10-24-2019), mrg666 (10-19-2019), soundman98 (10-18-2019), strat61caster (10-18-2019), Summerwolf (10-18-2019), weederr33 (10-18-2019) |
10-18-2019, 12:03 PM | #23 | |
Panda Trueno
Join Date: Jan 2015
Drives: No twin now.
Location: North Indiana
Posts: 3,347
Thanks: 2,113
Thanked 2,407 Times in 1,332 Posts
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Not true in a lot of cases. I'd rather have it and not need it then not have it. I loved commuting in cars that had 400+ hp, and then driving them at the track too. Never had an issue driving around normally..... actually cruising in some of them was BETTER since they were spinning idle rpm for the most part. |
|
10-18-2019, 12:12 PM | #24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Drives: 2014 BRZ Limited
Location: USA
Posts: 4,045
Thanks: 1,100
Thanked 5,618 Times in 2,266 Posts
Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Personally, I think point #4 about response vs. power is quite relevant to this car and not something we've talked a lot about, at least not in the same framing he used.
My old Triumph was a blast to drive in part because when you pushed the accelerator, that little 160 horse 6 cylinder would instantly respond. When you let off the accelerator, engine compression would instantly toss you forward against the seat belt. That gave it the feel of being a little hornet, able to dart from one state to another with almost no transition. It would jump off the line from a standstill. It could burn the tires from 30 mph. I could come up behind someone on the freeway, instantly match their speed, instantly dart forward 20 yards and instantly match their speed again, drop back and match again, just like a hornet buzzing around them. I had a lot of torque available all throughout the RPM range. My BRZ, although a "faster" car that out-handles that TR6 in every way, feels a lot more sluggish at the pedal in comparison. The transitions are a lot more gentle. That's a positive in one sense, in that it's a lot more predictable and less likely to just cut the rear end loose unexpectedly if you don't know what you're doing. But for a driver accustomed to driving RWD vehicles, this car would be even more fun with faster transitions, more instant torque and less rev hang. |
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to extrashaky For This Useful Post: | Summerwolf (10-18-2019), Tcoat (10-18-2019) |
10-18-2019, 12:13 PM | #25 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Drives: Crapcan
Location: Oregon
Posts: 11,175
Thanks: 18,187
Thanked 16,336 Times in 7,387 Posts
Mentioned: 108 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to NoHaveMSG For This Useful Post: | soundman98 (10-18-2019) |
10-18-2019, 12:15 PM | #26 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Drives: 18 BRZ tS
Location: NorCal
Posts: 102
Thanks: 21
Thanked 44 Times in 27 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
How much more is subjective. But people with sensible mods aren't saying oh I totally ruined the feel. Happy is fine. Happier is better. Anyway, someone should've looked at the torque curve on day one and said no way this is going into production, we can do better.
Sent from my LG-H932 using Tapatalk |
10-18-2019, 12:18 PM | #27 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2019
Drives: 2016 Scion FR-S
Location: Dallas
Posts: 806
Thanks: 2,685
Thanked 393 Times in 266 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
5 Reasons You Shouldn't Care About Horsepower (As Much)
Quote:
I agree that making your car lighter is always going to help. The FR-S is already pretty darn light, but there are certain areas like the exhaust, and wheels, that can be much lighter when you go aftermarket. Like if you switch to Enkei RPF1’s and a titanium exhaust it will be a noticeable difference. Other than that I think the twins are on the edge of how light can a car be before it becomes unusable for everyday driving. Like a Lotus Elise for example, or the Alfa 4C. Nobody wants to drive those everyday, unless you are a masochist. Lol For the 9K redline you will need to switch to a Honda F20C *I should add for this price range. Lighter more exotic materials start costing a lot more. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by JesseG; 10-18-2019 at 12:28 PM. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to JesseG For This Useful Post: | why? (10-18-2019) |
10-18-2019, 12:19 PM | #28 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 2020 Hakone
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 69,845
Thanks: 61,656
Thanked 108,286 Times in 46,456 Posts
Mentioned: 2495 Post(s)
Tagged: 50 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
That 10% dip for a tenth of a second is the worst excuse for people not being able or willing to actually drive the car that I have ever heard.
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post: | Dadhawk (10-18-2019), extrashaky (10-18-2019), humfrz (10-18-2019), mrg666 (10-19-2019), soundman98 (10-18-2019) |
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Why You Shouldn't Run Your Car Low On Gas | Extreme Dimensions | Mechanical Maintenance (Oil, Fluids, Break-In, Servicing) | 38 | 06-23-2017 07:47 PM |
found water where I shouldn't | ed8756 | Engine, Exhaust, Transmission | 14 | 09-19-2014 10:06 PM |
Maybe I just shouldn't own this car | execoll | BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics | 26 | 12-06-2013 06:08 PM |
shouldn't have called.. | shiud | Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum | 26 | 07-06-2012 10:02 PM |