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Old 04-08-2016, 12:25 PM   #1
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Heel Toe - detailed video (pretty good)

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/07/h...utorial-video/

Only thing I disagree with is braking before clutching. I always clutch let the car come down and if it can't come down fast enough I'll tap the breaks to enter my next gear speed. I have never and probably will never brake then clutch

Do you brake clutch or clutch brake?

Researching this, looks like half brake, half clutch

This guy explained the transmission inner workings pretty well
To this point, I don't heel toe, but maybe I'll work on it
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As I'm sitting here at work,I'm having a hard time thinking of how exactly I clutch on a regular basis,mainly because I've been driving stick for so long,it's almost like second nature.

The only thing that I do know it that sometimes I get lazy and don't bother downshifting.It's usually only in light traffic when I do that though.

One thing I will say about the FR-S. Coming from a little 98 Nissan 200SX,I found it to be a big adjustment getting use to the FR-S' high clutch.
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Old 04-08-2016, 02:07 PM   #3
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Only thing I disagree with is braking before clutching. I always clutch let the car come down and if it can't come down fast enough I'll tap the breaks to enter my next gear speed. I have never and probably will never brake then clutch

Do you brake clutch or clutch brake?

Researching this, looks like half brake, half clutch

This guy explained the transmission inner workings pretty well
To this point, I don't heel toe, but maybe I'll work on it
Clutch downshift, clutch downshift, clutch downshift. Brake. Clutch.
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Normal, everyday driving.... is not complicated, and it gets muddied with every thread here.
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Old 04-08-2016, 02:15 PM   #5
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Don't overthink it. Heel-toe before the corner, Scandinavian flick, power oversteer. When you get to your destination, pop bottles of champagne on the podium. Rinse, repeat. It's important to keep a cooler of champagne in the trunk.
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Good thing this subject isn't getting analyzed to death lately.

If only everyone had chosen the clearly superior transmission option where computers do everything for you, and faster too, we wouldn't have these problems
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Coming from an older Honda I find it a bit more difficult to heel toe in the FRS. The integra I blip the throttle and it was exactly where it needed to be. In the FRS I have to stomp the throttle and sometimes I feel like I need to let it stay for a fraction of a second in order to get a smooth heel toe.
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What @Tcoat said, on the street: downshift downshift downshift (basically 'engine braking' or 'coasting in gear' to slow down for the anticipated change in speed, stop light/sign, child, etc.) then brake, then clutch when engine rpm drops to ~1500 (could also heel-toe the downshifts to have constant deceleration while keeping revs in the useful range). Saves fuel, easier to accelerate if the light turns green, ball rolls out of the way, traffic clears etc.

Emergency stop? Crossed the finish line at autox and don't want to run over the person with the sticky notes? Brake hard then clutch. If you clutch first your engine will be hanging up at 3k, 4k, 7k while you apply the brakes. The car will be ok if it stalls, it won't be if you hit something.

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Coming from an older Honda I find it a bit more difficult to heel toe in the FRS. The integra I blip the throttle and it was exactly where it needed to be. In the FRS I have to stomp the throttle and sometimes I feel like I need to let it stay for a fraction of a second in order to get a smooth heel toe.
Dat throttle by wire yo.
I hate it, I could describe my old POS pickup truck the same way vs. the 86 but you eventually get a feel for blipping hard to 50% throttle to get the revs to come up.
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Dat throttle by wire yo.
I hate it, I could describe my old POS pickup truck the same way vs. the 86 but you eventually get a feel for blipping hard to 50% throttle to get the revs to come up.[/QUOTE]

It does drive me nuts some times. I need to take out the clutch pedal spring to see if that will help in my endeavors. I get the feeling I need to be more methodical with the FRS where the integra it was more a matter of being quick in order to not upset the car.
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It's fairly difficult to get the stock clutch to engage at the correct time unless you removed the clutch spring. It's so much easier to heel-toe after you do that, even when the throttle is being dumb because throttle by wire.
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It's fairly difficult to get the stock clutch to engage at the correct time unless you removed the clutch spring. It's so much easier to heel-toe after you do that, even when the throttle is being dumb because throttle by wire.
Exactly what I was hoping for. I do miss the cable clutch and throttle in my old car.
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Old guys who drove old cars learned to double clutch as well because after 20k their synchros didn't work worth a damn.

My dad racing my car: It wasn't until I put a camera in it did I realize he was heal-toe-double-clutching the whole time. Go dad!

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Old guys who drove old cars learned to double clutch as well because after 20k their synchros didn't work worth a damn.

My dad racing my car: It wasn't until I put a camera in it did I realize he was heal-toe-double-clutching the whole time. Go dad!

Or didn't even have them!
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Old guys who drove old cars learned to double clutch as well because after 20k their synchros didn't work worth a damn.

My dad racing my car: It wasn't until I put a camera in it did I realize he was heal-toe-double-clutching the whole time. Go dad!
I've only driven one classic Mustang in my life, but doing the double throttle blip like I was Steve McQueen and hearing the V8 bark was the best part of it.

Edit: for clarity on the relevance, old cars kinda suck.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31JgMAHVeg0"]Bullitt - The Chase (part 1) - YouTube[/ame]

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