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Old 11-02-2021, 12:13 AM   #43
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Why are you only riding the fast bike slow and the slow bike fast?
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It canít. Even if itís faster than all of them, itíll still be a corvette with an interior thatís behind even the cheapest euro supercar interior. The refinement just isnít there, itís just not a priority for the corvette.
I think they really increased the quality and options of their interiors. They have carbon fiber bucket seat options, lots of leather options, lots of interior details and design elements. They modeled Porsche and Ferrari with expanding their choices. Seat belts, stitching, dash, inlays, etc are all customizable.

Plus, Ferrari really isn't known for their interior build quality. A 30k mile Ferrari interior looks like a 90k mile interior on any normal car, despite being owned by rich people. The stitching comes undone, the panels can grow gaps. Some of the carbon pieces look very aftermarket and stuck on. In fact, much of the Ferrari interiors have always been lamented to be plagued with wiring gremlins. Interior pieces may fade like the carbon fiber. It is why the NSX was so successful and celebrated because it offered interiors that were functional and ergonomically laid out with quality/mass produced parts versus sketchy bespoke pieces or borrowed components from different OEMs and stitched together in an indecisive and incomprehensible way. Besides that, which Ferrari's are we talking about? Here is a 2010ish Corvette and F430 and a current Tributo mid-engine V8 versus the C8. Are they really so far apart. I've sat in a few supercars enough to know the interiors sometimes are much better in photos than in rear life. My bubble was burst a few times.

Opinions on interior aesthetics will be subjective, but I think the Corvette has done a lot to close the gap on Porsche and Ferrari and other exotics. If someone wanted to choose between a used Ferrari or a new Corvette Z06, the choice is much more clear, especially when looking at the interiors on older Ferraris and the bloated prices.












The GTR and current NSX at the end of their production run, but these are their interiors:


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C7 and C8 interiors are certainly a *vast* improvement over C5/C6. I would have bought a C6 a LONG time ago but for the craptastic interior. I'm not a big stickler over "soft touch surfaces", I really kinda don't get that fetish, but the C6 interior just looks BLAND a.f. That Malibu steering wheel, DAMN. And stock seats look and feel like they're designed for widebodies only. I got back in my S2000 and never looked at another one...

Unfortunately the C6 was the last Corvette where they gave a damn about weight. C7 went from ~3300 to 3440 up to pushing 3600 lb., new C8 is 3600+ minimum. Lame...
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Why are you only riding the fast bike slow and the slow bike fast?
My last response was kind of flippant, my apologies. As I noted earlier, context makes a big difference. Riding/driving a fast vehicle fast requires some very specific conditions. Those conditions are difficult to meet so if you have a very fast bike/car and you want to ride/drive it you will have to do so slowly or risk incarceration, serious injury or death. So you putt around folded up trying to control your right wrist/foot. And you still have to feed the machinery a steady diet of expensive maintenance.

What Iíd like to do is find a seniorsí carting series. Or better still, a freakishly tall seniorsí carting series. I think that would be a hoot and a holler. @humfrz, you up for that?
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My last response was kind of flippant, my apologies. As I noted earlier, context makes a big difference. Riding/driving a fast vehicle fast requires some very specific conditions. Those conditions are difficult to meet so if you have a very fast bike/car and you want to ride/drive it you will have to do so slowly or risk incarceration, serious injury or death. So you putt around folded up trying to control your right wrist/foot. And you still have to feed the machinery a steady diet of expensive maintenance.

What Iíd like to do is find a seniorsí carting series. Or better still, a freakishly tall seniorsí carting series. I think that would be a hoot and a holler. @humfrz, you up for that?
I don't think a lot of people, even car people, understand the performance of bikes. My bike is SLOW by bike standards at a 0-60 of 3.3 and it's measly 73hp.
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I don't think a lot of people, even car people, understand the performance of bikes. My bike is SLOW by bike standards at a 0-60 of 3.3 and it's measly 73hp.
What bike? I'm still on my '00 SV650, but it might become a track bike over the winter (sold FZR400 race bike).

In 1990, yeah, bikes were way way WAY quicker than even the quickest cars. My '86 Yamaha Radian 600, not *at all* a fast bike, was good for 12.8 @ 108 in the 1/4, while a '90 Ferrari Testarossa of the era was 13.3 @ 107. Ha!

Kind of a different situation today, bikes have gotten faster but cars have gotten MUCH faster... The quickest bikes are still generally gonna be quicker, but more middle-weight bikes are going to get beat by the faster cars, unlike yesteryear when literally NO (stock) car of the era stood a chance against my budget, air-cooled, 2-valve/cylinder 600...
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What bike? I'm still on my '00 SV650, but it might become a track bike over the winter (sold FZR400 race bike).

In 1990, yeah, bikes were way way WAY quicker than even the quickest cars. My '86 Yamaha Radian 600, not *at all* a fast bike, was good for 12.8 @ 108 in the 1/4, while a '90 Ferrari Testarossa of the era was 13.3 @ 107. Ha!

Kind of a different situation today, bikes have gotten faster but cars have gotten MUCH faster... The quickest bikes are still generally gonna be quicker, but more middle-weight bikes are going to get beat by the faster cars, unlike yesteryear when literally NO (stock) car of the era stood a chance against my budget, air-cooled, 8-valve 600...
17' KTM 690 Duke. I'd love to get an SV650 for a track bike but my hobbies are outpacing my budget
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The 86 reminds me a lot of the SV and it makes funny to me to see others who are also SV havers.

I just gave away my 07 N in the middle of covid with 70k miles on her. Just helped a buddy grab an 05 S recently too.
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What Iíd like to do is find a seniorsí carting series. Or better still, a freakishly tall seniorsí carting series. I think that would be a hoot and a holler. @humfrz, you up for that?
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I don't think a lot of people, even car people, understand the performance of bikes. My bike is SLOW by bike standards at a 0-60 of 3.3 and it's measly 73hp.
I don’t recall when I read this, but some time back one of the bike mags noted that a ZX-10 could accelerate from 0 to 100 mph and the brake back to 0 in something like 14 seconds. That’s 0-100-0 in under 15 seconds. The 0 to 100 time was a hair over 5 seconds. A BMW S1000RR’s 0 to 180mph time is 16 seconds flat. It would be significantly quicker except for insisting on wheelieing at 140.

That’s hair bending. And not really useable by mortal humans. But, nothing exceeds like excess.
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690 Duke, sweeeet! If SV becomes track/race bike, I'm either getting a Street Triple or Aprilia 660 (either RS or Tuono) next year...
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C7 and C8 interiors are certainly a *vast* improvement over C5/C6. I would have bought a C6 a LONG time ago but for the craptastic interior. I'm not a big stickler over "soft touch surfaces", I really kinda don't get that fetish, but the C6 interior just looks BLAND a.f. That Malibu steering wheel, DAMN. And stock seats look and feel like they're designed for widebodies only. I got back in my S2000 and never looked at another one...

Unfortunately the C6 was the last Corvette where they gave a damn about weight. C7 went from ~3300 to 3440 up to pushing 3600 lb., new C8 is 3600+ minimum. Lame...
Agreed on the interiors improving over the C5/C6, although everything from then sucked. Have you seen a Porsche interior from then?




There are different alternatives to soft-touch surfaces that are hard, but most people who don't like hard-touch surfaces don't like the thin, loud, hollow/cheap-feeling, reflective-plastic surfaces that seem to warp and crack over time and hold heat that much more than soft-touch surfaces.
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Agreed on the interiors improving over the C5/C6, although everything from then sucked. Have you seen a Porsche interior from then?
JFC don't get me started on the horrific monochromatic Porsche interiors! JEEEZUS those are the WORST! If you wanted an even remotely interesting exterior color, you also got a completely intolerable interior color smeared *ALL OVER* the entire interior of the car! Fuggin GROSS!
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My last response was kind of flippant, my apologies. As I noted earlier, context makes a big difference. Riding/driving a fast vehicle fast requires some very specific conditions. Those conditions are difficult to meet so if you have a very fast bike/car and you want to ride/drive it you will have to do so slowly or risk incarceration, serious injury or death. So you putt around folded up trying to control your right wrist/foot. And you still have to feed the machinery a steady diet of expensive maintenance.

What Iíd like to do is find a seniorsí carting series. Or better still, a freakishly tall seniorsí carting series. I think that would be a hoot and a holler. @humfrz, you up for that?
Karting would be nice, although can be expensive itself, at least for my current budget.
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