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himbo · 11-18-2020, 01:58 PM

Still on the fence about the looks - not as unique as before. Thing that I don't like is the digital instrument panel. I love the current one and the previous one - why the hell did they change it!?!?!?

Anyone feel like this engine is detuned? Same stroke but bigger bore - and "only" 228hp? Plus 13.5:1 CR - seems like this thing could really do great with a tune. And E85.

HSC · 11-18-2020, 02:00 PM

I disagree about planned volume vs sales. Planned volume follows sales...you forecast at various timeframes prior to production date and adjust as you approach that time (i.e., N-36, N-18, etc). I can tell you that sales, overall, have been somewhat disappointing post 2013/2014 but the idea of "halo", especially for Toyota, override the lackluster sales. That and much of the development costs have already been spent so they are just trying to amortize fixed costs. For the 2nd gen, expect much of the same as any other 2 door sports coupe...lots of sales the first yr or two and then trail off significantly.

The 2nd gen BRZ is pretty nice. Will have to see what they do with pricing (prob won't be for a while). And now it's Toyota's turn to see how they differentiate...

PenGun · 11-18-2020, 02:03 PM

So glad I bought my 2019. I would not have bought this one. Its ugly among other things.

Tcoat · 11-18-2020, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nos145

I'm more concerned for the engine.
This is not the same engine as in the ascent. So this is most likely another detuned version for us.

Meaning, that it won't take modifications too well. Gotta keep those STI sales up.

I'll wait and see whether I'm correct on this. But I'm pretty happy with my '13.

It is the same basic block. It has the Toyota D-4S so is a direct and port injection fuel injection system same as the FA20. It also has a high compression ratio to suck as much power as it can out of an NA setup.
It is not detuned for the US it is an engine built for a different purpose than the one in the Ascent.
Sure the Ascent engine is turbo but it is also a low reving low compression truck engine. It would totally suck in a sports car in it's original configuration.

People really need to get over this whole "they gontta keep the XXXX sales up" conspiracy theory. Different cars built for different desires. How is this so hard to understand?

Vmax911 · 11-18-2020, 02:07 PM

Certainly excited to see the new gen. Added power is appreciated, torque peak at 3700 will certainly help as a daily driver. Not sure if it will lure me back, but a bit of my heart misses my BRZ.

Any chance my OFH will fit?

Lantanafrs2 · 11-18-2020, 02:09 PM

200 whp really changes things with these cars. The high compression ratio has me concerned about ecu overreach but we'll just have to wait and see.

Tcoat · 11-18-2020, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenGun

So glad I bought my 2019. I would not have bought this one. Its ugly among other things.

Although I will hold off on a final verdict until I can see one in the flesh, sit in it and test drive it I am with you. If going to buy a car today, with what we know, it would not be this one.

wbradley · 11-18-2020, 02:09 PM

It's gonna take me awhile to get used to that front. Here it is in, um, red.

gymratter · 11-18-2020, 02:10 PM

Lightened · 11-18-2020, 02:10 PM

Color matching the black front lower lip spoiler...

Tcoat · 11-18-2020, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

200 whp really changes things with these cars. The high compression ratio has me concerned about ecu overreach but we'll just have to wait and see.

Why would there be overreach? The components will be a designed to work with each other. It isn't like modding where you are forcing things to go beyond their design specs.

BFIFE22 · 11-18-2020, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightened

Color matching the black front lower lip spoiler...

I want to see this too. I think the current bumper makes the front end look like it’s sitting too high off the ground

TAKECLEAR_86 · 11-18-2020, 02:33 PM

Definitely holding off on this gen and probably gonna pick up a Supra in 1-2 years. Power increase is nice, and updated interior makes it somewhat modern, but that outside is horrendous.

Tcoat · 11-18-2020, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veloist

Middle one is for EyeSight cameras. Despite it being manual it still gets it.

You mean the sensor not the eyesight?
Does it possibly still have some of the lesser features such as auto dimming headlights where that sensor is functional?

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11-18-2020, 01:58 PM	#211
himbo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: Lightening Red BRZ Ltd. Location: North Jersey Mutha Luva!!! Posts: 226 Thanks: 67 Thanked 94 Times in 44 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Still on the fence about the looks - not as unique as before. Thing that I don't like is the digital instrument panel. I love the current one and the previous one - why the hell did they change it!?!?!? Anyone feel like this engine is detuned? Same stroke but bigger bore - and "only" 228hp? Plus 13.5:1 CR - seems like this thing could really do great with a tune. And E85.

11-18-2020, 02:00 PM	#212
HSC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Whiteout FR-S Location: LA Posts: 104 Thanks: 19 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I disagree about planned volume vs sales. Planned volume follows sales...you forecast at various timeframes prior to production date and adjust as you approach that time (i.e., N-36, N-18, etc). I can tell you that sales, overall, have been somewhat disappointing post 2013/2014 but the idea of "halo", especially for Toyota, override the lackluster sales. That and much of the development costs have already been spent so they are just trying to amortize fixed costs. For the 2nd gen, expect much of the same as any other 2 door sports coupe...lots of sales the first yr or two and then trail off significantly. The 2nd gen BRZ is pretty nice. Will have to see what they do with pricing (prob won't be for a while). And now it's Toyota's turn to see how they differentiate...

11-18-2020, 02:03 PM	#213
PenGun Banned Join Date: Sep 2019 Drives: Red 2019 Subaru BRZ Location: Vancouver Island Canada Posts: 107 Thanks: 9 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So glad I bought my 2019. I would not have bought this one. Its ugly among other things.

11-18-2020, 02:07 PM	#215
Vmax911 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: WRB BRZ Location: ABQ Posts: 354 Thanks: 38 Thanked 89 Times in 58 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Certainly excited to see the new gen. Added power is appreciated, torque peak at 3700 will certainly help as a daily driver. Not sure if it will lure me back, but a bit of my heart misses my BRZ. Any chance my OFH will fit?

11-18-2020, 02:09 PM	#216
Lantanafrs2 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Drives: 2013 frs red Location: South Florida Posts: 3,517 Thanks: 2,520 Thanked 3,088 Times in 1,654 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	200 whp really changes things with these cars. The high compression ratio has me concerned about ecu overreach but we'll just have to wait and see.

11-18-2020, 02:10 PM	#219
gymratter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: BMW Location: TX Posts: 2,395 Thanks: 1,971 Thanked 1,825 Times in 952 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)

11-18-2020, 02:10 PM	#220
Lightened Every Ounce Counts Join Date: Jul 2015 Drives: 86 Location: Earth Posts: 214 Thanks: 165 Thanked 206 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Color matching the black front lower lip spoiler...

11-18-2020, 02:33 PM	#223
TAKECLEAR_86 Member Join Date: May 2020 Drives: 2017 Toyota 86 Halo Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 29 Thanks: 3 Thanked 18 Times in 13 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Definitely holding off on this gen and probably gonna pick up a Supra in 1-2 years. Power increase is nice, and updated interior makes it somewhat modern, but that outside is horrendous.

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