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Old 07-23-2020, 12:58 AM   #99
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Considering that Germany was one of the only two places to get final editions it would make no sense that they would carry on without everybody else. Can you post a copy of the info you saw? I am intrigued since it goes against every single piece of info we know and really throws doubt at all the clickbait "insider" statements.
I am attaching the new price list document. I download it from Subaru Deutschland. In last page it says "Diese Preisliste ist ab Juli 2020 gültig."

It means: "This price list will be valid from July 2020."


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Old 07-23-2020, 06:31 AM   #100
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I am attaching the new price list document. I download it from Subaru Deutschland. In last page it says "Diese Preisliste ist ab Juli 2020 gültig."

It means: "This price list will be valid from July 2020."


Now that certainly is an interesting wrinkle! Doesn't claim to be a 2021 anyplace on the document. Just appears to be an extension of the 2020s.
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Old 07-23-2020, 06:07 PM   #101
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Subaru of America resumed orders for the BRZ today. I ordered one today and it's coming Month-of-September. They might have extended production and delayed their schedule for U.S. cars since they stopped a couple of months.
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If you care to comment, why did you order one?
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If you care to comment, why did you order one?
I work at the dealership and put the order in for a customer haha
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I think I said it before, but maybe it was overlooked. It is not always easy to extend the production for a few more months. In Europe for example they had to change certain internals, because the new car registrations had to pass a new regulation. So, it looks to be a pretty conscious decision.

From what I was seeing and hearing the platform was pretty much "dead" and then something happened. Maybe this guy insisted to stop the nonsense and move forward ...

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The pearl on the Hakone helps a lot with the dirt and dust. Even dirty it comes through so is much the same as the Lava as far as showing dirt goes.
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370Z = 3,300lbs

86 = 2,800lbs

You can't undo that.
370Z = 332HP
3,300lbs/332HP = 9.94lbs per HP

86 = 205 HP
2,800lbs/205HP = 13.65lbs per HP

You can’t undo that.

Of course, power isn’t everything, but a better power to weight ratio matters for performance. The Z is heavier for a reason. Bigger brakes, much wider tyres with lots more lateral grip. To make factory 370Z power safely at the same price, Toyota would almost certainly have to increase the 86s weight to similar levels.

People criticise the Z’s weight, yet the much newer and more expensive Supra weighs even more with ‘officially’ not that much extra power (it’s way underrated in typical BMW fashion though).

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I think it is highly dependent on the individual. The lack of reach adjustment in the Z is the single biggest issue - leads to a very ‘Italian’ sports car style long armed driving position. But the Z’s ability to angle the front seat bolster to your liking is something I wish the 86 had.

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very interesting stuff!

really curious to see if there's a new version even in the pipeline anymore
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370Z = 332HP
3,300lbs/332HP = 9.94lbs per HP

86 = 205 HP
2,800lbs/205HP = 13.65lbs per HP

You can’t undo that.

Of course, power isn’t everything, but a better power to weight ratio matters for performance. The Z is heavier for a reason. Bigger brakes, much wider tyres with lots more lateral grip. To make factory 370Z power safely at the same price, Toyota would almost certainly have to increase the 86s weight to similar levels.

People criticise the Z’s weight, yet the much newer and more expensive Supra weighs even more with ‘officially’ not that much extra power (it’s weigh underrated in typical BMW fashion though).



I think it is highly dependent on the individual. The lack of reach adjustment in the Z is the single biggest issue - leads to a very ‘Italian’ sports car style long armed driving position. But the Z’s ability to angle the front seat bolster to your liking is something I wish the 86 had.

Fair. It's not just the Z that's getting heavier. It's common with most models now. Lighter cars are more fun IMO. Power to weight on the 86 is easily modified. Of course, I'm going the long route lol
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I am attaching the new price list document. I download it from Subaru Deutschland. In last page it says "Diese Preisliste ist ab Juli 2020 gültig."

It means: "This price list will be valid from July 2020."


At the end it also says this is based on a 16% sales tax.
Which is probably the reason for the new catalogue since starting July and ending end of Dacember our sales tax was lowered from 19% to 16% as a stimulus in the recession.
So they had to change that.
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At the end it also says this is based on a 16% sales tax.
Which is probably the reason for the new catalogue since starting July and ending end of Dacember our sales tax was lowered from 19% to 16% as a stimulus in the recession.
So they had to change that.
Nope. They did other modifications apart the tax change. One change was to get an approval for Euro 6d-TEMP-EVAP-ISC (mentioned in the previous attachment). They couldn't get new registrations without complying with the new regulation. This requires to include a pressure equalisation line on the petrol tank, which prevents negative pressure from forming in the tank.
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Nope. They did other modifications apart the tax change. One change was to get an approval for Euro 6d-TEMP-EVAP-ISC (mentioned in the previous attachment). They couldn't get new registrations without complying with the new regulation. This requires to include a pressure equalisation line on the petrol tank, which prevents negative pressure from forming in the tank.

That’s already implemented in other regions though. The US cars have a evap line.
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