(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

Speed =
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1582185322

The wheels on the Happy Bus go round and round, round and round...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

Tada is a face used exceptionally well by the marketing team.

His imput, would be alot less than alot of people realize.

Yes he has a "vision", but that, well marketed vision, only goes so far.

Meh, only replying because I'm bored...

Yes, Tada-san's face is used a lot by marketing team, but guess what? It won't be. Cuz he's not working on next gen 86... nor none of staffs who worked on 1st gen.

Actually, his input had A LOT, cuz no other engineers and some of higher up couldn't say much. Cuz he was assigned by President Akio, so literally skipped several levels of ppl. He also gave a lot of credit to other staffs when needed and take most of the blame or negatives by himself. Well, it's part of been CE, but at least he didn't blame others.

When you guys see and even read the next gen 86/BRZ, you guys will beg Tada-san to come back... cuz atm, it's a fucking joke.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

A lot depends on the scope of the project. If they decide to keep it a low volume niche car it may stay light and relatively basic. If they decide they are looking for volume and general public appeal then god only knows where they will take it.


The DSM/Eclipse progression shows what can happen when they go for the mass market.


Is this really how we want the 86 to evolve?


First Gen Focus: Performance, power and Press compares to a Porsche



Last Gen Focus: Big sound system/Bluetooth, "sharp appearance", luxury features. Press says "Retro sporty sound makes you feel young"

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yes, Tada-san's face is used a lot by marketing team, but guess what? It won't be. Cuz he's not working on next gen 86... nor none of staffs who worked on 1st gen.

Actually, his input had A LOT, cuz no other engineers and some of higher up couldn't say much. Cuz he was assigned by President Akio, so literally skipped several levels of ppl. He also gave a lot of credit to other staffs when needed and take most of the blame or negatives by himself. Well, it's part of been CE, but at least he didn't blame others.

When you guys see and even read the next gen 86/BRZ, you guys will beg Tada-san to come back... cuz atm, it's a fucking joke.

Know you can not say much but how does it compare to my feared Eclipse example?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

When you guys see and even read the next gen 86/BRZ, you guys will beg Tada-san to come back... cuz atm, it's a fucking joke.

I really hope you're wrong...

I guess we can get a 2021 if we have to replace our older cars.

[RayRay88]

He may have had input in the 86/brz twin project and I commend his work...
But from the Supra project forward I don't believe a word Tada-San says, he's a giant mouth piece and a yes man. I feel like his roll has been diminished to nothing more than ceremonial because of all the hype he gained from the 86 project. It's a shame really if the 2nd gen becomes a bloated eclipse.
I know the joke was made earlier but I wouldn't be surprised the 3rd gen BRZ/86 becomes an electric crossover.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Know you can not say much but how does it compare to my feared Eclipse example?

Um... Eclipse had better updates.

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I really hope you're wrong...

I guess we can get a 2021 if we have to replace our older cars.

I'm really hoping, I'm wrong. Hell, I'll gladly be wrong on this... BUT from legit resource, all the info it's given, it's not looking good at all. Hell, I rather them axe 86 and call next gen something else. Cuz everything what 86 is, next gen, it's not.

I'm seriously hope I'm wrong.

oh btw, next gen 86 is suppose to be released Summer 2021, so better get it before that.

Originally Posted by RayRay88

He may have had input in the 86/brz twin project and I commend his work...
But from the Supra project forward I don't believe a word Tada-San says, he's a giant mouth piece and a yes man. I feel like his roll has been diminished to nothing more than ceremonial because of all the hype he gained from the 86 project. It's a shame really if the 2nd gen becomes a bloated eclipse.
I know the joke was made earlier but I wouldn't be surprised the 3rd gen BRZ/86 becomes an electric crossover.

Um... IDK how you get that. Look, when he worked on Supra, he RETIRED!!!! Yes, you read it correctly, retired from Toyota. He had enough from Toyota's political stuff and he had enough years and age to retired, so he retired. No one else wanted to take his spot to take on this task, so Toyota contracted him to finish the project. Hell, next update Supra, he might not be there.

He took his personal time out to come out US to meet some 86 and Supra owners this week. He could of say fuck it and flew home to Japan after Daytona and keep playing Pokemon Go. You tell me which brand and Chief Engineer do that.

I can tell you right now, you won't see anymore Tada-san like person for PR. It'll be all Tomoyama-san and that's pretty much it. We won't find out who worked on what and so on. I can promise you, Tomoyama-san is very knowledgeable person, but he didn't work on any of sports car GR have brought it out. He's just PR person.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Know you can not say much but how does it compare to my feared Eclipse example?

Lexus front end, Prius in the back. It's going to be comically bad.

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Um... Eclipse had better updates.



I'm really hoping, I'm wrong. Hell, I'll gladly be wrong on this... BUT from legit resource, all the info it's given, it's not looking good at all. Hell, I rather them axe 86 and call next gen something else. Cuz everything what 86 is, next gen, it's not.

I'm seriously hope I'm wrong.

oh btw, next gen 86 is suppose to be released Summer 2021, so better get it before that.



Um... IDK how you get that. Look, when he worked on Supra, he RETIRED!!!! Yes, you read it correctly, retired from Toyota. He had enough from Toyota's political stuff and he had enough years and age to retired, so he retired. No one else wanted to take his spot to take on this task, so Toyota contracted him to finish the project. Hell, next update Supra, he might not be there.

He took his personal time out to come out US to meet some 86 and Supra owners this week. He could of say fuck it and flew home to Japan after Daytona and keep playing Pokemon Go. You tell me which brand and Chief Engineer do that.

I can tell you right now, you won't see anymore Tada-san like person for PR. It'll be all Tomoyama-san and that's pretty much it. We won't find out who worked on what and so on. I can promise you, Tomoyama-san is very knowledgeable person, but he didn't work on any of sports car GR have brought it out. He's just PR person.

What are you countering? You just confirmed he's a mouth piece/PR person.

I got tired of his blind defense of the Supra, the fake vents that he said are functional for example.

Lets not pretend he's the heart and soul of Toyota's sports car efforts. I would much rather TMGbh take over and represent Toyota's interest with Subaru.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

When you guys see and even read the next gen 86/BRZ, you guys will beg Tada-san to come back... cuz atm, it's a fucking joke.

I came to same conclusion when they said it'd have more power and be on a global platform, no longer using the platform built for the 1st Gen.

The fact it's staying RWD in some form or fashion is probably a stroke of luck.

I imagine it's gaining some significant weight and size.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

What are you countering? You just confirmed he's a mouth piece/PR person.

I got tired of his blind defense of the Supra, the fake vents that he said are functional for example.

Lets not pretend he's the heart and soul of Toyota's sports car efforts. I would much rather TMGbh take over and represent Toyota's interest with Subaru.

Yes, he is mouth piece, but he do more than typical mouth piece that doesn't know shit. That's what I'm trying to say.

Ah~ fakes vents... Love those ppl complain cuz you can't just pop it out and make it work, it must be fake. Even though it's been used by GRMN Supra to race in VLN 24hr races. You actually have to make it work, but well, it's not connected to anything and Toyota doesn't provide any parts, it must be for the "looks"... SMH I'll admit, door vents doesn't make sense, but I'm no engineer.

Rather make TMGbH take over and represent Toyota? ...was gonna say something, but don't think you'll get it... cuz I don't get half of inside political stuff one insider told me. All I know is they're not looking good atm.

[Vracer111]

Vehicles almost never get better in the second generation these days. Trying hard to think of anything since the late 80's that actually improved from a weight reduction and handling perspective in the second gen... absolutely nothing is coming to mind. Sometimes things get corrected in later gens down the line though... can't wait for the 4th gen 86! LOL

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

Vehicles almost never get better in the second generation these days. Trying hard to think of anything since the late 80's that actually improved from a weight reduction and handling perspective in the second gen... absolutely nothing is coming to mind. Sometimes things get corrected in later gens down the line though... can't wait for the 4th gen 86! LOL

If you count the Supra nameplate as its own generations, then I guess you could technically say the Supra improved from the MK3 to the MK4. Lighter, slightly better cornering, and an improved block from the M to JZ series.


Yeah, nothing else is really coming to mind though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I'm really hoping, I'm wrong. Hell, I'll gladly be wrong on this... BUT from legit resource, all the info it's given, it's not looking good at all. Hell, I rather them axe 86 and call next gen something else. Cuz everything what 86 is, next gen, it's not.

I'm seriously hope I'm wrong.

oh btw, next gen 86 is suppose to be released Summer 2021, so better get it before that.

You had better be right or you owe me $40,000 CDN.

On a related note does anybody want to buy a well used Lava in the next 2 to 6 months?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You had better be right or you owe me $40,000 CDN.

On a related note does anybody want to buy a well used Lava in the next 2 to 6 months?

tbh I don't wanna be right. In full honesty, I want next gen 86 to success... but atm brands are not listening to the right consumers and let the money talk more than enthusiast's voice.