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Old 06-01-2020, 03:32 PM   #70491
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Over 40 million unemployed Americans is definitely playing a part.

I'm a bit disappointed by your 'Devils advocate' responses. The US system is broken and Canada's isn't terribly different.
Not devils advocate responses I have simply asked about facts and stated that as you said the system may be broken but blaming Covid is not the answer. It is quickly becoming the scapegoat excuse for everything people do that is wrong.


My water heater burst yesterday and flooded my whole basement. Damn Covid caused it!
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Not devils advocate responses I have simply asked about facts and stated that as you said the system may be broken but blaming Covid is not the answer.
My disappointment deepens.
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It says there were 4 not 50+.
Saying "fact" does not make it one. I was just wondering if you had data to support the statement.
You know, I'm kinda thinking you don't see the problem here, since you're definitely avoiding the question I'm posing.
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I agree with this, but at the same time you have to be willing to have productive conversation on it. Otherwise having this opinion is pointless.
I want to do something tangible, but outside of telling the black community that they have an ally in me, I can't do a whole lot more given the circumstances we're in. But, at the same time, I wonder if that's enough for the time being.
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I want to do something tangible, but outside of telling the black community that they have an ally in me, I can't do a whole lot more given the circumstances we're in. But, at the same time, I wonder if that's enough for the time being.
Not much will change tomorrow, or the day after that or the day after that, even if you go march in the street and put yourself in harms way.

Maybe it'll be like 1968 and Federal government convenes and votes on a justice reform act within a week or two.

Change takes a long time, vote and be vocal. And yes I know you're Canadian, hopefully some of your politicians make their stances clear.
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Not much will change tomorrow, or the day after that or the day after that, even if you go march in the street and put yourself in harms way.

Maybe it'll be like 1968 and Federal government convenes and votes on a justice reform act within a week or two.

Change takes a long time, vote and be vocal. And yes I know you're Canadian, hopefully some of your politicians make their stances clear.
I just want to help effect positive change, you know?

I have no clue what it's like to be a black man in America and what weathering that storm entails. What I do know for sure, is that I'm so, I don't know what the right word is, angry? Upset? Disappointed? A combination? With everything happening right now. Between the systemic racism, whites being the main party who are inciting riots and doing a majority of the skeezy stuff in the states.

I'm pissed off that I can't do a fucking thing about it, and if you don't feel the same way, I cannot wait for the day you get trampled and left in the past with the rest of your ilk.
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@Cole there are multiple groups you can donate money to if you're in the position to do so.

The fact that you're torn up about it means more than enough to me, the silent majority when motivated usually prevails, and it takes not being silent to make that happen.
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I want to do something tangible, but outside of telling the black community that they have an ally in me, I can't do a whole lot more given the circumstances we're in. But, at the same time, I wonder if that's enough for the time being.
If you want to do something about it, you must first determine exactly what situation exists that you want to change, then determine why the existing situation is the way it is. Keep backing up the "why?" question until you get to some piece of it you can affect. Then affect that piece.
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You know, I'm kinda thinking you don't see the problem here, since you're definitely avoiding the question I'm posing.
Answer mine first. Do you have data to support the numbers you gave as fact?
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I think you are mistaking something in what I am saying for something else.
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I think you are mistaking something in what I am saying for something else.
Silence is violence.

It's not what you're saying I'm saddened by, it's what you're not saying. I understand you like the evidence based debate, but that's not the important point right now.
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Using catchy/rhyming slogans in leu of articulate explanation is for those that cannot, or do not wish to, actually think about what they are saying, or those who want compliance as opposed to independent action.

Edit, saw the first part before you added the second. Nevermind me.
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Using catchy/rhyming slogans in leu of articulate explanation is for those that cannot, or do not wish to, actually think about what they are saying, or those who want compliance as opposed to independent action.
We live in a time where the silent majority has allowed the oppression of our less privileged brothers and sisters to reach a breaking point. This willful blindness to the plight of our own citizens is a crime in and of itself. Not speaking up for the oppressed is tacit consent for the oppressors to continue, aided and abetted by your cowardice.

Does that suffice?

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Answer mine first. Do you have data to support the numbers you gave as fact?
And again, I clarified through the hyperbole, and left it at the 3 police officers and one park officer who stood and watched while a man was choked to death by another police officer.

So again, are you going to keep avoiding what the real data, presented in front of you is saying? Or do you need for me to post the link to the video of George Floyd being murdered?

I don't know if you're trying to be a blockhead right now, or if you are truly just unaffected by this.
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