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Old 01-17-2015, 11:56 AM   #29
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Hmmm... should I let this deter me from looking into obtaining a MR-S after the lease is up?

Nah.
I've never gone to an autox or the track with my MR-S but I really don't think this car is that easy to spin. I've broken the rear loose on accident a lot of times as well as intentionally in a big parking lot and it was always really easy to bring back in line. If a novice like me doesn't spin even when I try to, it can't be that unforgiving.

Okay, except that time I floored it, cranked the steering wheel one full rotation, and then mashed the brake. It spun around >360 degrees, and that was really scary.

I hear the earlier MR2s are much less forgiving though. Iron block probably has something to do with it.
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Today you can find that level of neutrality in a lot of enthusiast cars, even relatively commonplace cars like the RX-8, FR-S, S2000, Focus/Fiesta ST, etc. Makes me think manufacturers' chassis tuning has become less conservative over time.
Stability control is to thank for that. They can give it much more neutral handling, but the electronics will protect the car from ham fisted drivers.

Great for enthusiasts on cars that you can turn everything off.
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Lift off oversteer... Ask me how I know.
First thing that popped in my head when i saw the thread title LOL

the fear... but i still miss my 93 mr2 turbo
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Personally though, I think I'm all done with mid-engine cars. My little '92 MR2 was downright scary to drive hard, especially in the damp. It just had so little margin for error, and it sounds like that's just typical of the engine layout. My buddy had the same problem with a modified X1-9 that he used to auto-x.

I'm really convinced that what makes a car fun to drive isn't how well it sticks to the road, or how fast it goes, but rather, how consistent it performs at the limit. I'd rather be able to drift a car with reckless abandon without going into a spin. So far, only the FR-S and my little 2000lb Fiat on new suspension and tires could do that. Those mid-engine cars sure do look good though...
Sorry, but my experience is the opposite.
My MR expereince is from the Porshce 914.
IME, the MR layout gives you more consistent behavior at the limit, and more forgiving than FR when trying to recover.

Even the few times I have actually spun the MR, it was more predictable what it was going to do.

I once spun it in the rain on a cloverleaf and recovered the spin after 360 degrees and kept on going!
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Sorry, but my experience is the opposite.
My MR expereince is from the Porshce 914.
IME, the MR layout gives you more consistent behavior at the limit, and more forgiving than FR when trying to recover.

Even the few times I have actually spun the MR, it was more predictable what it was going to do.

I once spun it in the rain on a cloverleaf and recovered the spin after 360 degrees and kept on going!
I love the 914!

Ok, I take it back, I wouldn't mind getting into one of those. :-)

Yeah, my MR2 (and my buddy's X1-9) handled GREAT up to a very high threshold, but when they go they GO.

There's a little orange 914 parked up on the family farm. It was my uncle's first car right out of college, purchased brand new. I tried SO hard to buy that little car from him when I was about sixteen. He was saving it for his retirement to turn into an electric...
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First thing that popped in my head when i saw the thread title LOL

the fear... but i still miss my 93 mr2 turbo
Definitely fear! After 10 years of sw20 ownership, I'm still scared shitless of the car. I drove the nsx, it's way more planted and stable because of it's longer wheelbase when compared to the mr2. If these guys think the nsx is bad for snap oversteer/lift off oversteer, the sw20 made its name from just that!
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I love the 914!

Ok, I take it back, I wouldn't mind getting into one of those. :-)

Yeah, my MR2 (and my buddy's X1-9) handled GREAT up to a very high threshold, but when they go they GO.

There's a little orange 914 parked up on the family farm. It was my uncle's first car right out of college, purchased brand new. I tried SO hard to buy that little car from him when I was about sixteen. He was saving it for his retirement to turn into an electric...
If your uncle still has the 914 (original), then tell him to sell it and buy a junker to convert to electric.
It would be sacrelige to convert a "good" car if you checked what they are going for now.
A "perfect" original 4-cyl will get you upwards of 20k.

I kind of like having multiple generations of: 2.0L, 4-cyl, Boxers in the barn...

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