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Roll Bars vs. Harness Bars
We are preparing to release our harness bar for the FT86, and I wanted to start a thread to discuss using one vs. the other. I'd like to keep the other thread uncluttered and exclusively focused on product details. A forum member wrote the text below. Feel free to discuss. You can make up your own mind if a harness bar or roll bar is right for your needs. Thanks.
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I sit on the same side of the aisle as the person who posted that. I won't wear a 5pt or 6pt belt without a roll hoop. I want my body to be able to move when the roof collapses during a rollover and the FRS doesn't exactly have a sturdy roof. If I need a 4,5, or 6pt harness then I need a 4pt rollbar. That's just me but I don't believe in a after life so I take safety pretty seriously.
Back in 2010 an incident in a civic using Sparco belts and harness bar like what is offered went viral throughout all the automotive enthusiast boards. A front end impact and failure of the harness bar resulted in the driver being ejected out of the car. I don't remember if he survived or not. To quote an excellent post regarding that event of the driver being ejected (since all photos of the incident have been taken down), he makes good point while also describing the failure: Quote:
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On principle I feel that when anyone is selling anything that is claiming to make one "safer" the burden of proof should be on the supplier. Otherwise the proletariat can find themselves surrounded by a barrage snake oil salesmen claiming to "make them safer" when indeed the opposite is true and my safety and the safety of others should be treated with dignity and respect.
Consequently, if this bar is advertised for "autocross use only" or has a big disclaimer that it is "not a safety device" then that's a little more ethical even though plenty of people would disregard such wording and use in place of very safe and very proven OEM 3pt harnesses for all applications. But C'est la vie. If and only if claims of increased safety are made then I feel the seller should be required to PROVE IT. For anyone to claim that "there's no proof that a thing is less safe" is an argument for it being safe is ridiculous and such an argument should be immediately disregarded and discredited. I also deliberately did not post in your other thread. I know you're just selling a product and I can respect that but as always; Caveat Emptor. |
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I see people use these all the time for autocross. I'm fine with it as long as people understand what it does, and doesn't do.
I would never allow a car with a harness bar on track. Period, end of discussion. Same goes for having 1 or 2 of the following items, but not all three: Roll bar/cage, fixed back seats, harnesses. If you have any one only, nope. Any two only, nope. All three, yep.
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Thanks for the posts everyone. I'm learning a lot about roll bars and related stuff. Before I did some searching, I thought a roll cage by itself would make me safer! I have a lot to learn
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The Essex "harness Bar" is a piece of engineering artwork. All vendors could learn from the Essex's build quality, fit, finish, and documentation. People spend hundreds of dollars on strut braces. This bar tightens up the whole car. I had to loosen up my coilovers after installing it. The thought that went into this bar's design and the precision of manufacturing still amaze me.
From engineering stand point I have no fear of this bar ever failing. I like using a four point harness on the track. It holds me in place so I am more relaxed making me a better driver. Safety discussion get very hot very quickly on boards so I am not going to go there. This car is my DD. I only use the harness on the track. I love this bar and appreciate it every time I drive. |
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