Failure After J02 Recall - Discussion Threads

[tomm.brz]

well that s the same all over the world I guess
Dealera who already did unmount a brz engine are relieved because they think they can do it in 9 hours, but for toyota and dealers with no experience on this car I bet it is terrible

[Gunman]

Originally Posted by humfrz

If they all have boxer engines, why is the procedure different?


humfrz

FA has an additional baffle in the cam area, which does not allow for the same tools to be used to remove the valve springs. Because of this, the cams have to come out, which means front cover...etc.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

maybe it s a different procedure analysis in US because the official letter Subaru dealers are receiving in italy, states 9 hours +0.1 hours for "documents management" for MT brz cars.. automatic cars 1 hour more
I try to recover the photo of it

Maybe they are using the old "Italian tune up" procedure ?





humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

If they all have boxer engines, why is the procedure different?


humfrz

All boxers are NOT created equal.


I could change the valve springs in my 66 Corvair in about two hours.

[tomm.brz]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Maybe they are using the old "Italian tune up" procedure ?





humfrz

you can joke, but I know at least 3 people (and remember that in italy we have like less than 1/12th of brz/gt86 than in US) that got their fa20 opened and closed and they are running strong still today. Your american mechanics are the ones who fucked up more than 30 cars :P

[mswbrz]

Originally Posted by shiumai

That exactly describes how I felt about my experience with my Subaru dealer/corporate about performing the recall on my car with aftermarket parts installed.

Can you elaborate please , did they make you pay to take mods off , curious to know your story


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[shiumai]

Originally Posted by mswbrz

Can you elaborate please , did they make you pay to take mods off , curious to know your story


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My dealer refused to take the car unless it had been returned to stock first (would not work on the car even if I paid for the supercharger removal). Contacted Subaru USA and after a week or so of back and forth they sided with the dealer. They also refused to help in any way to cover the cost of SC removal and return to stock.

So, I have not done the recall so far. I'm going to see if I can renew my tags next year without doing anything. If I can, I'll leave it as-is. If not, I still haven't decided what I'm going to do.


More details here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132418

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by shiumai

My dealer refused to take the car unless it had been returned to stock first (would not work on the car even if I paid for the supercharger removal). Contacted Subaru USA and after a week or so of back and forth they sided with the dealer. They also refused to help in any way to cover the cost of SC removal and return to stock.

So, I have not done the recall so far. I'm going to see if I can renew my tags next year without doing anything. If I can, I'll leave it as-is. If not, I still haven't decided what I'm going to do.


More details here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132418

I do not understand why you would expect them to help with the costs of removing modded parts. The recall is for stock cars with stock parts and neither the dealer nor Subaru should be in any way responsible for a supercharger removal.
Will be interesting to see if California enforces the recall. There have been at least a couple of guys that have renewed without the work being done so maybe it doesn't show in the State system as an emissions related recall?

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I do not understand why you would expect them to help with the costs of removing modded parts. The recall is for stock cars with stock parts and neither the dealer nor Subaru should be in any way responsible for a supercharger removal.
Will be interesting to see if California enforces the recall. There have been at least a couple of guys that have renewed without the work being done so maybe it doesn't show in the State system as an emissions related recall?

I didn't say I expected them to. Doesn't hurt to ask to ask as it's a 'mandatory' thing for us in Calif. I didn't expect them to, but hoped that they'd at least agreed to do the work of removing/reinstalling the mods. Again, I hoped for some sort of work-around compromise and 'good will' sharing of financial responsibility from Subaru USA since the dealer refused to work on a modded car, otherwise it's it can be up to a couple of grand out of my pocket to return the car to the state that it's currently in right now, because of a manufacturer defect.

My car has been running fine; I don't want to do this recall. I feel that there are more chances of things going wrong than if it's left alone.

[gravitylover]

Originally Posted by ybotspawn

Just cancel and don't do it

Maybe. I did ask and they haven't had a single car come back (yet) and one of their guys has a pretty good rep for doing good engine work. They're going to do a few extra things for me while the motor is out that would otherwise cost a pretty fair bit and it gives us an extra 12k mile warranty. My car is at 114k now so it needs a bunch of things done that I kind of can't afford right now and this gives me the opportunity to get it all done for pretty cheap. As long as their guy doesn't fk up it will be worth it.

Originally Posted by humfrz

Well, that in itself, wouldn't give me a real warm fuzzy feeling -

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Keep in mind there are only 8,000 BRZs spread across the whole country. The ones that are keeping the Subie dealers hopping are the 392,000 Imprezas, Outbacks and Crosstreks that need to be done. Those of course they have had zero issues with since it is a completely different procedure.

Yeah the service supervisor told me that they're getting those done in about 4 hours, sometimes less. That's why they schedule 3 cars a day for 2 techs. Apparently it's just pull the motor, pull the valve covers, change the springs, reassemble and put it all back in the car.

Originally Posted by maslin

The springs can sneak out under the cams.

No removing the cams = no removing the timing chain = no removing the front cover.

The FB engine pays 7.3 hours vs FA 12.5 hours. It's significantly less work.

Like I said above, 4 hours or less is what they told me for FB cars.

[oaroyale]

Just OK is not OK

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by oaroyale

Just OK is not OK

Now THAT depends upon your age -


humfrz

[HugoFRS6AT]

Hi all, I posted this in the registry thread but feel it is worth reiterating.

It is imperative that you file a complaint with NHTSA. A gentlemen working there told me that they are in fact monitoring the situation and this board as well.

You can file your complaint easily, just click "Report a Problem" in the top right corner:
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2013/SCION/FR-S

You can also file a complaint here:
https://www.safercar.gov/

By my last count, only about 30 people have registered their complaints.

As you can see in the following story, it seems NHTSA may be more willing to step in if there are more registered complaints.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...ough/39475157/

Thanks,
Hugo

[gravitylover]

I was at another dealer today picking up an oil filter and they are booked out to November! They must have sold a boatload of Crosstreks and Imprezas that need this work done.