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I find it acceptable that the feel of a heavier vehicle is definitely something that can be seen very undesirable for some drivers. I myself do enjoy the feel of a lightweight car and notice the difference easily between as *little* as 300 lbs. That being said, from my perspective I enjoy the outrageous handling dynamics some of these heavier cars are able to put out. I'll use the CTR as an example as I own it, but it's crazy what it does when you wrap your mind around how heavy it is and that it's FWD. But yes, agree to disagree, weight for me is not entirely a detriment, acceptable weight for you is nearly the most important attribute. BTW, people outside of this group, many many other communities, consider the CTR as lightweight.. Fun wheel drive strikes again.
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At the end of the day, there are compelling reasons to choose either car that have nothing to do with practicality.
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For the acceleration plots, agree on the p/w ratio, but I expected with the ND2's better torque-to-weight ratio it would pull out of corners better. Didn't seem to be the case though.
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If engine is what matters most to you then yes all BMWs with big torque is "special" to you. And for the money of a GTR I would rather have a 718 Cayman GT4 or Evora GT410 despite being slower in a straight line. You're actually the narrow sighted one like a typical American car guy whose focus is generally power>chassis and nobody called the 86 the greatest thing ever. |
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Boys, boys!! Can’t we all just get along?! Here’s the deal. Some people like some kinds of cars, and some people like others. It’s why we have a choice! BRZ PP is fantastic! So is that damn frickin SEE TEE ARE. I prefer lightweight and tossable, though I nearly bought a 392 Scat Pack Challenger Wide Body last year. What a frickin car!! And I could about get the BRZ in the trunk. But I needed a truck so I bought a Jeep Mohave instead. You can drift that bastard down a dirt road at 60 and it’s a frickin blast!! Jordanwolf is always entertaining as f^*k, and I think ZDan is the damn man about 90% of the time. The only scrote here is that damn DarkSidefrs, and even that whacked sour bastard is entertaining. So, feel the love boys and ease up.
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Hmmm... curious why you think that. AUC seems pretty relevant to me. All things being equal, I'd expect the car with the fat midrange to out-accelerate the car with the flat torque curve even if their peak power is exactly the same hp/rpm. On every upshift when the first car lands back in the midrange, it should pull ahead due to the torque advantage don't you think?
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[QUOTE=Jordanwolf;3424354]Are you really going to look at a GTR and call it an overweight pig./QUOTE]
Yes, because it is and handles like it. It's a brute that get's by on big power, AWD, and big tires. No one has ever called it "nimble" or praised its steering. Mostly because of its weight it's always been a niche vehicle, rather than a benchmark sports car. |
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