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The main difference between the eye and a camera lens is what it is connected to. Our brains are far more complex and advanced than a computer. Maybe an AI system to handle information on a screen the way we do efficiently and react in a similar fashion. that doesn't exist so.. You have more faith in technology than I do. I don't have faith that technology will always work. Especially something as complex as driving, specifically navigating. When you start adding a ton of complicated systems together that need to operate Perfectly you have less room for error, especially since things break, degrade or are defective or the programing is flawed. When it comes to winter driving; doesn't seem like snow driving will be a thing any time soon. Systems aren't capable of adjusting properly to less than favorable road conditions like cold and wet with some slush here and there, 5-10cm of snow is way off and even 1-2cm look highly unlikely by the look of he current beta. Last edited by RToyo86; 03-17-2021 at 11:35 PM. |
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I think the difference between you and me vs. @Irace86.2.0 may be in the interpretation of "environmental detection capabilities" for L3. I include in it, as do you I believe, weather and the various things that come with that. From what I've read I think, but do not know, that @Irace86.2.0 is considering environmental factors in terms of the objects around the car and awareness of them. Technically both are correct, but is in the more inclusive definition I believe the beta falls short of being a full on L3.
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Humans can be under the influence, distracted by their phone, angry at another car, stupid in their choices, old or disabled or lacking the physical abilities to properly drive, blinded by sunlight, scared from a spider, have a medical emergency, etc. We are very fallible. The AutoX video I posted was clearly level 4+. That was minivan outfitted with sensors and not a car built from the ground up to have autonomy. The capacity to drive doesn’t require a Watson sized supercomputer. Operating a motorized vehicle can be done by a two year old. Learning the rules of the road is even easier for a computer. Tesla is switching completely to a neural network from a partial neural network. For reference, the average smartphone could beat grandmaster chess players and you can buy AI chips that can perform several teraflops pretty cheap. Here is a chip that does 5 petaflops or 5000 teraflops, and it is the size of a shoebox. Just for reference, Watson in 2011 performed 80 teraflops. It isn’t a direct comparison, nor is that chip priced for a car, but I’m trying to highlight the fact that huge servers aren’t necessary for high computation no different than how the average smartphone are capable of what supercomputers did in the past. https://www.google.com/amp/s/cleante...ing-video/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/venture...rformance/amp/
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https://medium.com/yandex-self-drivi...s-d1d0045e5df0 Waymo is doing snow. It is an obstacle that will be quickly learned by computers. https://www.industryweek.com/technol...wintry-detroit
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It is good to see a tech that can actually perform in real looking conditions and scenarios. Wayno looks much more controlled and smooth.
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A little thread necromancy to post this. Tesla finally admits FSD doesn't FSD...
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Well of course Musk isn't going to consider it a "recall". He probably also has said, "yea we were doing this anyway"
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AI too humanlike. Dial it back a bit. (I am not claiming to know much of anything about autonomous driving other than direct experience with 1 car, but the thought made me chuckle)
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Someone has to do it. Employees or customers. Employees would likely be better, but if the FSD Beta is safer than if the customer was to drive without it then the risk of accidents are down either way, so it should be fine. The customer still has to be engaged based on camera monitoring and driver steering wheel inputs, so the only real difference between this and Autopilot is where the car is self-driving like being engaged in a turn. Someone can’t be in the back seat or reading a book with this beta.
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