All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[nextcar]

As I have consistently said: I really want to drive a gen 2 before making any decisions...

But part of me is toying with the idea of keeping my 2013 as a track toy, putting the Edelbrock SC on it and swapping back my stock 4.10 differential...

Then I would have a 4.56 differential that might be a blast to try in a gen 2!

Of course no one knows what changes to transmission or differential gearing will come with the gen 2, if any, so this may not be worthwhile.

[theinvisible]

Does anybody want to comment on the fact that the headlights move left and right on startup? It looks like it has something like BMW's Adaptive Headlights, where they aim into the turn when cornering.


Check video below, skip to 0:57 and 1:56

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by theinvisible

Does anybody want to comment on the fact that the headlights move left and right on startup? It looks like it has something like BMW's Adaptive Headlights, where they aim into the turn when cornering.


Skip to 0:57 and 1:56

Pretty much required to meet a good score on IIHS headlight testing.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by ZDan

For me, 3.9 or 4.1 or 4.3, I'm fine. The 2022 is going to be quite a bit quicker with any of those ratios vs. FA20/4.3. Indeed, if you look at Car and Driver test results, the '17 car with 4.3 gears was pretty much 0.1 second quicker at every ZERO-to-XX mph, with the same 1/4-mile trap speed of 95mph. Basically you get one tenth of a second ONLY going from 0-30(ish), beyond that, identical acceleration, despite a few more horsepower and only +13 lb..
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...YU3YzZ0JB/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...uaXRfRl9j/view
0 -30mph: '13 = 2.3s, '17 = 2.2s
30-40mph: '13 = 1.0s, '17 = 1.0s
40-50mph: '13 = 1.4s, '17 = 1.4s
50-60mph: '13 = 1.6s, '17 = 1.6s
60-70mph: '13 = 1.9s, '17 = 1.9s
70-80mph: '13 = 2.2s, '17 = 2.3s
80-90mph: '13 = 2.8s, '17 = 2.7s
90-100mph: '13 = 3.2s, '17 = 3.2s

30-100mph: '13 = 14.1s, '17 = 14.1s

4.3 vs. 4.1 just wasn't that big a deal, unless you are specifically interested in that 0.1s advantage from 0-30!

A friend of mine swapped the 4.3 into his FR-S and says it is a noticeable difference on a road course. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by theinvisible

Does anybody want to comment on the fact that the headlights move left and right on startup? It looks like it has something like BMW's Adaptive Headlights, where they aim into the turn when cornering.


Check video below, skip to 0:57 and 1:56

Meh. Citroen had that in the '70s, and they outlawed it here.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by theinvisible

Does anybody want to comment on the fact that the headlights move left and right on startup? It looks like it has something like BMW's Adaptive Headlights, where they aim into the turn when cornering.

It's not just BMW, lots of cars now come with adaptive headlights that turn with the wheel. It's no biggy, just an example of tech working its way down to cheaper cars, just like LED headlights started with expensive cars but are the new standard for all new cars just about.

Personally, I could do without the adaptive HLs. I'm sure they are great as long as they work, but when they break, I'm sure they cost a fortune to repair or replace.

[Willpower]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Meh. Citroen had that in the '70s, and they outlawed it here.

Eyesight tech if I’m not mistaken. Daughter-in-law’s WRX had it. It’s cool, but it ain’t worth having to have an auto tranny for!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Quentin

A friend of mine swapped the 4.3 into his FR-S and says it is a noticeable difference on a road course. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It will depend on the specific track. If 4.3 puts you more in the powerband at a critical corner exit, could be quicker. But if it puts you at top of rev range so you have to upshift as you're trying to accelerate out of critical corner, or if you have to throw in a quick extra upshift in one or two places, could also be slower...

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Red-86

It's not just BMW, lots of cars now come with adaptive headlights that turn with the wheel. It's no biggy, just an example of tech working its way down to cheaper cars, just like LED headlights started with expensive cars but are the new standard for all new cars just about.

Personally, I could do without the adaptive HLs. I'm sure they are great as long as they work, but when they break, I'm sure they cost a fortune to repair or replace.

Perhaps the better compromise is fog lights (or side markers or something) that turn on when you make the turn.

My BMW X1 has that. Its not "new" enough to have the swivelling headlights or whanot (all the more advanced tech was implemented after 2017 on this car) but when i make a turn at night and i think in conjunction with the turn signals, the fog light on whichever side will turn on (it turns off after making the turn) and it does help illuminate the corner im turning into a bit more.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

I'm old enough to have learned to drive a standard with a 3 speed. I felt like a real racer type when I got my first car with an oh-my-god-how-great-is-this gen-u-ine 4 speed! A 4 on the floor! (Even though it was a piddling Ford Pinto).

That 4 speed is what got imprinted on my mind as to what a manual transmission is. To this day, if I'm distracted or daydreaming, I'll occasionally find myself cruising down the highway in 4th gear. I have to remember to shift into 5th, and going all the way into 6th gear takes a conscious effort I'm sometimes barely capable of.

There's theory, and then there's real world points of diminishing returns. Unless an engine's powerband is so microscopically narrow that it only produces useful power in a few hundred rpm, or unless someone has specific track needs, I think that truth be told, 5 properly spaced gears would probably suffice for most engines.

Proper spacing is important. My Mustang GT has a 6 speed, but first is uselessly too low, and 3-5 are so close together as to be almost redundant.

But I still think a 6 speed is cool, and would miss it if the number of "speeds" was reduced.

Arent all cars kind of geared to utilize the first 4 gears for acceleration purposes while leaving the last 2 (or more) as overdrives?

[Lelandjt]

Originally Posted by Quentin

I was asking for FA24 with 3.9 and 4.3... which you kindly provided.

FA24 with 4.3 all day for me. If gen 2 comes with a 3.9, the substantial cost savings of the MY17-20 could tempt me.


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Is there a reason the diff's gears can't be changed for like $300 parts, $400 labor?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by theinvisible

Does anybody want to comment on the fact that the headlights move left and right on startup? It looks like it has something like BMW's Adaptive Headlights, where they aim into the turn when cornering.


Check video below, skip to 0:57 and 1:56

Originally Posted by Quentin

Pretty much required to meet a good score on IIHS headlight testing.

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Meh. Citroen had that in the '70s, and they outlawed it here.

No they didn't.

Originally Posted by Red-86

It's not just BMW, lots of cars now come with adaptive headlights that turn with the wheel. It's no biggy, just an example of tech working its way down to cheaper cars, just like LED headlights started with expensive cars but are the new standard for all new cars just about.

Personally, I could do without the adaptive HLs. I'm sure they are great as long as they work, but when they break, I'm sure they cost a fortune to repair or replace.

Subaru has had it in their other models for years. My wife's 17 Impreza and her current Outback both have it. Really isn't even that noticeable unless in the pitch black. Fun when you start the car and they both point way out and then come back to center though.
All in all for the BRZ they are just added weight, cost and something else to mess with people that want to mod their lights.

[sato]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

OH good another thread!
Now if we can just get everybody in this one place?

Well, I found thread so I'm in. 62 pages late, but here.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by ZDan

It will depend on the specific track. If 4.3 puts you more in the powerband at a critical corner exit, could be quicker. But if it puts you at top of rev range so you have to upshift as you're trying to accelerate out of critical corner, or if you have to throw in a quick extra upshift in one or two places, could also be slower...

I think when talking so specific about competition down to the last second, a certain gear ratio (maybe the 3.9-4.1 for you) will be favorable. But for 99% of this car's use, a higher number ratio is far more exciting, with more torque feel and more gear rowing. Very few people were disappointed with the 4.3 change in the 2017s+, in fact, most have claimed to love it. I can certainly see 4.1 making sense for the new gen, but 3.9 might take that excitement completely away.

I do know what you are saying, hence why earlier I brought up the hope for them tweaking specific gear ratios vs the final ratio. I don't necessarily hold high hopes for this to happen, as I'm sure it is either expensive or just too much work for them to put into the gen. But many have talked about the first gear being too short, and so lengthening it out to add another 5 mph or so would make the world of a difference. A little stretch to the second gear would help too, and the rest are fairly solid. With the new gen being a good bit more powerful, rowing through the gears would be so much fun. It's what we buy a manual for anyway, isn't it? For true competitive racing, I would think an automatic should be the better choice so one could focus more on driving than taking their hands off the wheel and shifting gears.