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Old 08-27-2020, 06:37 PM   #449
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I didn't say it wasn't a popular car before the movie, in fact I was stating it sold well (for the times). I said that it did not reach legendary status until it was the star of the movie. The racing video games that came out later also introduced a whole new generation to the hype. I am very glad that you didn't seem serious when you said you "drove" them in the games.
In the movie when he gets the only 6 year old car it looked like it had been sitting in a field for 20 years but the story of the REAL car (although not as bad of a condition) is interesting because even it was not pristine nor anything close to the movie version when Lieberman started the project well before the movie. It is interesting to note that the producers didn't go looking for a Supra but more like saw it and said "let's use this but we need to change it to make it look more like a tuner car". The movie was based on the "tuner" crowds of the time but in the end the crowd changed to more closely match the fiction. Sort of a tail wagging the dog thing happened. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...nd-the-furious


I bought my 91 Talon in 92 when I was 33 years old and followed the "car scene" pretty closely. Yes, there was a following for the Supra back then but it was even smaller than what the 86 has now. The bulk of the public had no idea what it was and just didn't care. To go back to the original statement you made about making cars for "heritage" this means that the people back then made up a very tiny group. There is a much larger group interested in most of the cars you mentioned now than there was back when they were made. Perceptions are really skewed when looking back that far.

I agree that the Supra became very popular because of the movie, and it may not have reached the collector level it has without it. I didnt know the backstory of how they sort of just stumbled on the MkIV Supra. And remember it was the Eclipse that was sort of the hero car for a while. Until excess manifold pressure blew the floor out!!! Or something I cant even remember it was so silly. They were horrible movies and got so many things wrong about car culture, but I still like them. And Paul Walker was a really cool dude and its sad what happened to him, his charity was and is really awesome.
I cant believe I didnt mention the Skyline GTR and NSX in my Japanese collector car list!! They have both reached legendary status.
I guess my point with all of that and about heritage is that it can influence the next generation of car enthusiasts. My daughter loves the Miata and I want her to learn how to drive a manual. If only for the fact it will be the greatest theft deterrent ever in about 6 years.
And yes I said drove the Supra in Gran Turismo tongue in cheek. It did make me want to drive those cars in real life though, and luckily Ive been able to actually drive a MkIV Supra Turbo, a good friend of mine owned one. It was even nearly unmodified! I still havent driven a R34 Skyline GTR, that is my ultimate hero car of all time. And the 22B but Im not expecting to ever drive one of those.


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I guess much of that knowledge for these kind of cars has increased thanks to the media/internet. I am sure the 86 would have been the same if not worse of a story than the Supra if it was released back then (aside from all the new tech and modern looks). Though I had already fallen in love with this car when it was introduced early on, one of the big things that helped reel me in was reading about it all over the internet and this forum especially.

I agree, I searched for any info I could get on the twins, and read through this forum a lot. It helps to generate excitement for a car when you can easily chat with other owners. I also wonder if the twins would have done as well in the pre internet forum days.
And like Tcoat said you just couldnt get this type of information on a car back in the day. I got my Eagle Talon in 1998, it was my first car. I only had magazines like Super Street and Sport Compact Car to get any information. I got my WRX in 2002 and the internet was becoming a bigger thing and NASIOC was a great source for info, and arguing. I still laugh out loud when I think of some of the photoshop threads on there.


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Hopefully the amount of poke on those wheels remains for production ^^
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Yeah people forget that NSXs just sat on lots, as did all the Japanese super cars of the era. Its the reason they're so shy to get back into them
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Yeah people forget that NSXs just sat on lots, as did all the Japanese super cars of the era. Its the reason they're so shy to get back into them

Much like the 86/BRZ, it took a while for people to recognize how good those cars were. A friend of mine that bought an Integra Type R got a pretty good discount on it. It had been sitting in the Acura showroom for a while. People knew it was a special car, like the NSX, Supra, etc but didnt want to spend that much. I wish I had more disposable income at the time!


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Yeah people forget that NSXs just sat on lots, as did all the Japanese super cars of the era. Its the reason they're so shy to get back into them
Those japanese sports cars got stupidly expensive back then.
They were creeping into the (at the time) high end/supercar pricing for what was not a high end/supercar car.

Except the NSX, that one was always a supercar competitor as far as i remember.
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Its so generic looking im not surprised that guy didnt know what it was at first glance. Hell even i wouldnt be able to tell if it was an 86 mule at first glance, i could see some 8 series in there (general shapeliness).
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Bit interesting to know that, even current global pandemic situation, where people are having financial crisis, toyota-subaru still planning to release 2nd gen toyobaru. But I believe mid 2000 era had better situation than current world but toyota ceased MR2 (MR-S) and Celica production. As other senior member here said it is still in test mule state and may be not coming off. But still they are putting afford on it, making me feel very surprising.
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Those japanese sports cars got stupidly expensive back then.
They were creeping into the (at the time) high end/supercar pricing for what was not a high end/supercar car.

Except the NSX, that one was always a supercar competitor as far as i remember.

I would say the R34 Skyline GTR, MKIV Supra Turbo, and FD RX7 all were at or near the top of their segments. I also remember the NSX being compared to supercars, and it held its own really well. Im not sure if auto journalists at the time gave any of those cars enough praise or credit. The Supra and NSX were built to such a high standard and quality level. Not even Porsche was building that high quality of a car, and Ferraris and Lamborghinis were so temperamental and unreliable. I think you could argue the NSX was the very best car of the 90s! That or the McLaren F1, but those are so ultra rare.

*I should add the Porsche 959 and Carrera GT are incredible cars, but were very exclusive and expensive

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Bit interesting to know that, even current global pandemic situation, where people are having financial crisis, toyota-subaru still planning to release 2nd gen toyobaru. But I believe mid 2000 era had better situation than current world but toyota ceased MR2 (MR-S) and Celica production. As other senior member here said it is still in test mule state and may be not coming off. But still they are putting afford on it, making me feel very surprising.
This is more along the lines of pre-production prototype with vinyl camo wrap rather then a test mule with a new drivetrain/platform hiding under a current model shell or some other hacked up Frankenstein mismatch. Splitting hair aside, I would say they are pretty far pretty far down in R&D.


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Bit interesting to know that, even current global pandemic situation, where people are having financial crisis, toyota-subaru still planning to release 2nd gen toyobaru. But I believe mid 2000 era had better situation than current world but toyota ceased MR2 (MR-S) and Celica production. As other senior member here said it is still in test mule state and may be not coming off. But still they are putting afford on it, making me feel very surprising.
toyota (and tesla) is like the only major automaker making money during covid so not totally surprising they are happy to continue to fund their love child
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Much like the 86/BRZ, it took a while for people to recognize how good those cars were. A friend of mine that bought an Integra Type R got a pretty good discount on it. It had been sitting in the Acura showroom for a while. People knew it was a special car, like the NSX, Supra, etc but didnt want to spend that much. I wish I had more disposable income at the time!


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Those japanese sports cars got stupidly expensive back then.
They were creeping into the (at the time) high end/supercar pricing for what was not a high end/supercar car.

Except the NSX, that one was always a supercar competitor as far as i remember.
The ITR didn't sell because it was expensive for what it was. Objective enthusiasts passed over it waiting for the rumored WRX, or bought a pony car or whatever else. Sport Compact Car did a comparison called V8 Smackdown where they pitted the ITR against a regular Mustang GT, and the Mustang beat it in every objective test, and it was cheaper. Those mustangs sold like hotcakes despite the economic downturn. JDM enthusiasts rather just pick up a used Integra and mod it out, since you could buy a practically mint GSR back then for 10-15k, which was way less than half of that ITR.

Like the S2000CR, it became popular after the fact when rational though no longer prevailed. People want to get nolstalgic and buy these cars now that they can afford it, and while theyre at it buy the best rendition of it.

The NSX was competitive when it came out, but the 300zx, Supra, RX7, and 3000gt eclipsed it in performance, and the Euro competition caught and surpassed it. You bought the NSX because of the way it looked, plain and simple. It was an exotic bargain in 1990, by 1996 it was a good looking obsolete car.

And people back then knew what Supras could do, and when it got discotinued they held their value relatively well. Unlike the 300ZX which you could buy a good example for under 10k, the MKIV Supra never really dropped below 20k, and for the longest time hovered around 30k. F&F brought attention to it, but you didn't see cars like the Eclipse or RX7 skyrocketing in prices liek teh Supra did. What ended up happening was that they all got popular, but the Supra which was relatively already rare, became rarer as people crashed them, needed replacement parts, etc. The FD is becoming more and more expensive these day as well.

The DC2 integra has a very loyal, fanatic following, and unmolested cars are very rare, and alot have succumbed to be being stolen and stripped that these cars are becoming increasingly rare. But I'd much rather drive an S2000 or an 86 than an ITR unless I wanted to be nostalgic.

Another example would be Vipers which have also creeped up in prices lately. I remember you could buy a 96 GTS for under 30k, now you'd be hard pressed to find one under 45k. I had a buddy who bought an NSX in 97 or 98, it was a 93 IIRC (two tone... shoot it may have been a 96 because it mightve had ttops..., nah couldnt be), got it for about 25k.
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