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Old 05-05-2021, 10:56 AM   #2311
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Time will tell. That's the thing about natural experiments. The uncertainty makes them interesting. I think it will depend in large part on how many body bags pile up and whose bodies are in the bags. The piece that @AnalogMan posted several pages ago points out one of the major problems with this pandemic. It's not deadly enough to motivate everyone to take it seriously. Sure it kills a lot of people, but few enough that those with crainial rectitis can convince themselves that they are not in danger and say fuck all to the rest of society.

If the virus gets rolling in one those hotbeds of magical thinking it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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If would be interesting to see statistics regards to pandemic denial and hospitalizations/deaths.

Of course none such info exists since it's not as though they ask sick people whether they have been proactive regards to the pandemic or not when they are hospitalized.

I'd be willing to guess, especially in the third more virulent wave, that many deniers ended up getting sick and sadly, in some cases dying. The wave of infections here for ages 20-40 can be partially denial and partially the need to continue working in environments that are not as well protected, some factories and food processors.

Some people believe it is better to allow natural processes such as their own immune systems fend for them. That, in my opinion, is insanity knowing what has been happening. But unfortunately once you are infected the journey is irreversible. You could be asymptomatic, mildly ill, extremely sick or mortally sick.

If you prefer to play Russian roulette with your life rather that capitulate and admit you are no less vulnerable than anyone else, good luck, I hope you don't get really sick, but unfortunately when a person is in denial it doesn't matter what you tell them. I don't think going to the gym every day makes much difference if you are unlucky. I have witnessed someone who was sick but looking to be improving, then several days later succumbing to the cytokine storm, and it was horrible. Younger people would spend weeks with a tube down their trachea, in an induced coma, developing bed sores and their organs becoming more and more damaged as time passes.

I have both electronic and paper documentation of my vaccination. That will be useful later on.
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If would be interesting to see statistics regards to pandemic denial and hospitalizations/deaths.

I hope you don't get really sick, but unfortunately when a personal is in denial it doesn't matter what you tell them. I don't think going to the gym every day makes much difference if you are unlucky. I have witnessed someone looking to be improving, then succumbing to the cytokine storm, and it is horrible.
I wish I could say the same, but I am unsure. On one hand, every unvaccinated person is a potential disease vector and every infected person is an active disease vector. I really want the virus to stop spreading, and the fewer people who come down with the virus, the fewer other people they will infect. So, in that sense, I hope the vaccine resisters stay healthy. On the other hand, decisions and actions should and do have consequences and my Calvinist ancestors would dearly like to see that arrogance and hubris have a cost.
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What if those who say "let my immune system defend me" get diagnosed with cancer or some other illness. Will they not seek treatment for it, cuz you know, "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger...."
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Are you joking or do we have another critical thinker?
I'm pretty sure that's camel-case for sarcasm.
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What if those who say "let my immune system defend me" get diagnosed with cancer or some other illness. Will they not seek treatment for it, cuz you know, "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger...."
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What if those who say "let my immune system defend me" get diagnosed with cancer or some other illness. Will they not seek treatment for it, cuz you know, "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger...."
Probably they will seek treatment, it's a different dynamic psychologically. Their actions in that case cannot affect others the same way, it's only themselves. Most people do care about themselves, but their disdain for humanity overrides their good judgement therefore they play Russian Roulette with EVERONE, which can be empowering to a crazy person.
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I have less animus for the vaccine resistant lately. I almost have sympathy for them as I think their mistrust and skepticism are misplaced. Have you guys seen on the street anecdotes of people losing family to covid and still say they won’t be taking a vaccine? I really do not know what to think in that instance.
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Probably they will seek treatment, it's a different dynamic psychologically. Their actions in that case cannot affect others the same way, it's only themselves. Most people do care about themselves, but their disdain for humanity overrides their good judgement therefore they play Russian Roulette with EVERONE, which can be empowering to a crazy person.
Hypocrisy at its finest then.
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So they are incurring cost to develop a product.
Net profit is profit after costs are covered, plus I never said they didn't incur a cost for development. However they did not incur as much cost as you think, their partner, BioNTech received $445 million from the German government to develop the vaccine. So not all development costs were undertaken by the pharm companies. Plus they all got guaranteed purchases of any "approved" vaccines produced at around $20 per dose.
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No you shouldn't. You've chosen the route of not relying on vaccines
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He better skip tetanus from rusty metal wounds, rabies, and/or any medication whatsoever then.
And the peanut gallery with their association comments.

We aren't discussing other vaccines, or all vaccines. The discussion is on the Covid vaccines produced under a hyper accelerated timetable and the quickness they were brought to market. There IS a risk.

Comparing that to vaccines that have been tested for decades is pointless.
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And the peanut gallery with their association comments.

We aren't discussing other vaccines, or all vaccines. The discussion is on the Covid vaccines produced under a hyper accelerated timetable and the quickness they were brought to market. There IS a risk.

Comparing that to vaccines that have been tested for decades is pointless.
No it's not pointless. It very much has a point.
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That made me think...

There are a lot of vaccines that require boosters (tetanus being the one that came first to mind since I'm due for one). Why is there a concern about the COVID vaccine potentially requiring another booster down the road?
My earlier comment was on the difference between those with natural antibodies being stronger and longer lasting that those with vaccine induced antibodies. If we knew we could test and study people and find out those with the immune systems that were able to fight this better than that of the others that couldn't it may lead to a better way to protect everyone without boosters. That is all.
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Grasping at the smallest of straws for a reason to bitch.
That is the entire function of this entire thread
- not getting a vaccine, que bitching
- getting a vaccine, que bitching
- questioning the science, que bitching
- believing the science, que bitching
- taking a doctors advice, que bitching
- left wing rah rah, que bitching
- right wing rah rah, que bitching
- I thought about going to med school once, que bitching
- I serve cold French fries for a living but know more about health and science than you, que bitching
- science is never wrong, que bitching
- science has been wrong, que bitching
- Epstein didn't hang himself, no bitching
- you think Qanon is really a thing, que bitching
- everything on the internet is true, que bitching
- you shouldn't believe everything you read, que bitching
- your actions can threaten me, que bitching
- nothing I do is your business, que bitching
- my brothers, uncle's, co-worker knows a guy at the CDC so there, que bitching

I just come here for the self righteous bitching, the thread never disappoints.
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