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They actually just let that EA exclusive license expire. Prepare to see them in all the other series they've been absent from.
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^Yeah, I can't freaking wait.
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As someone who's daily driven a BRZ and a 997, here are some thoughts:
BRZ Advantages
Porsche Advantages
Don't let the "no power" crowd deceive you about the BRZ's fun-to-driveness. The lack of power matters less and less the more interesting / deserted the roads become; it's a real driver's car that is more rewarding the harder you push it, and with a little engine you can push it very hard indeed. The Porsche is a much more serious car-- it's got a lot more power and more grip (even on the "little" base wheels / tyres). It does daily driving stuff better than the BRZ, and is just as fun to flog on a back road or autocross on weekends. The downside is that you'll pay more out of pocket to run the thing on a daily basis: repairs, preventative maintenance, and consumables are all going to be more expensive. For better or for worse, the Porsche's also got a Porsche badge: I don't know how old you are, but I'm 28 and not everyone seems to appreciate seeing a young person driving a 911 around. Personally I couldn't give two shits what anyone thinks: if they want to spend their $30k on a loaded, brand-new Camry and then judge me for spending the same amount on a Porsche, that's their right. I know which one I'd rather own, but to each their own. At the same time though, this particular Subaru actually suffers the same problem, since people who don't know their cars have no idea what it is and it looks very exotic. Plenty of people seem to assume that the BRZ is some kind of very expensive car, so either way you may get funny looks. Overall they're both fantastic cars. I'd basically look at it this way: both cars are similarly fun when pushed toward their limits. If you really enjoy driving cars hard, you'll get a lot of weekend enjoyment out of either vehicle. The Porsche has a bit of a leg up on the BRZ in that it can do the weekend dance just as well (if not a little better due to the rear weight bias feeling interesting), but also manages to be a quiet, comfortable car to drive on your commute. Due to almost a decade of progress and feature creep, the BRZ in some ways has more modern conveniences than the Porsche (satnav, keyless entry, USB ports / aux jacks for your music / devices, etc), but build quality, interior noise levels, etc are all better in the 997. TL;DR: my BRZ is about 85-90% as fun to drive hard as my 997, and costs a lot less to run, but depreciates more. My 997 is more expensive to run, but doesn't depreciate, is a little more fun on weekend drives, and is a more comfortable, more effortless car to daily drive. Plebs think I'm an asshole for driving either one because one's a Porsche and the other's a Ferrari. |
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Interestingly enough, those 3.0L+ Subaru flat sixes you'd find in something like an Outback from the last decade sound incredibly similar to Porsche's when you can really wind them up and free up the exhaust end (found out they actually helped Subaru in the engineering of those engines, so not so surprising then). Friend of mine dropped one of the sixes in an old 2.5RS chassis, and if you only heard the car and didn't see it, you'd swear you were listening to a 911 ripping around. It's uncanny how much they sound like Porsche sixes. Quote:
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IIRC it rolled a little more than the BRZ, felt a little heavier than the BRZ, but also felt slightly more agile than the BRZ. Quote:
The sound of the BRZ is OK. It sounds better than a lot of fours, and at some combinations of RPM / throttle position it sounds excited, which is great. Never bothered to do that much about noise though: got a Milltek resonated cat-back which did away with the kind of vacuum-cleaner-like stock sound, but couldn't be bothered to take things any further. None of the fancy header-back exhausts or intakes I listened to really improved anything. I'm also just not a fan of the UEL rumble so that wasn't an option. Most of the setups I listened to just sounded excessively loud and / or raspy. If only there were a way to make a BRZ sound like a 991 GT3 :P |
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I'm rather disappointed in the sound from the new fours they've started putting in the latest Boxster/Cayman. Just doesn't sing. Or maybe squeezing a 3 or 3.3 H-6 from a wrecked Subaru in there and avoiding going the Subie-fart route that all the kids seem to love the sound of these days. I really wish I had a sound clip of that Impreza with the six in it. I tell you, sounded like a screamy 911. If either of my cars could sound like this, I'd drive nothing else, ever. Skip to 1:20 and crank your volume. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbdMVMl6PE"]AKRAPOVIČ EXHAUST FOR PORSCHE 911 GT3 (991) - YouTube[/ame]
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^^Sounds pretty nice but honestly I've heard better sounding Porsches running full throttle, with stock intake & exhaust hardware, in person track-side. And I've sat in and aggressively revved an Cayman GT4 with the exhaust baffles open, and the sound is orgasmic for the ears hahaha.
^I mean it would sound nice, but given the design of Subaru's AWD system having a flat 6 sitting smack on top of the front axle would greatly hurt the handling of an STI.
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I can't decide, I want all 3. I'm actually being serious here. I'm just guna buy the best condition best priced car I can find. Thought being if I buy it right I can sell it for break even or close. Same thing I do with bikes, ride for a season for the cost of maintenance and tax.
I low balled a BRZ limited today(2013 with 26k on it). Didn't get it(left my #). 07 Corvette(40k on it) I found on the 24th was sold today (was out of town for the holidays). Stopped by a Porsche dealership in the bay on the 27th. They didn't have anything old enough I could afford(not that I was planning to buy from a dealership). Stopped by Subaru and Toyota and got new prices. Didn't negotiate or anything, just asked what Costco prices were and what promotional financing they are offering. $25,050 for 86 and $25,150 for BRZ premium, 1.9% offered on both (California). I decided not to buy new as I don't really plan on keeping too long. So ya, Still driving my Scion, haha |
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Nothing wrong with continuing to drive your Scion. Remember: you have a car-- you're not in a rush.
Make sure you get a good drive in an example (maybe more than one!) of each type before you make a decision: they're all going to be very different cars to drive. I imagine once you get some wheel time with each of them, probably one will call to you. Also, random thought, but are there maybe any driving schools nearby where you could book a car control clinic in a similar car? If there's a school that happens to drive what you're looking at, that would be a great way to get a proper demo. It will be expensive, but you'll get a great feel for the car, and getting some good training is never a bad thing! Skip Barber used to do a high-performance driving course at MRLS in Boxsters, 911s, M3s and such. Not sure if that's still a thing. |
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Normally I would say "just get a Cayman", but as someone trying to sell my FR-S in the Bay Area and seeing the prices here plummeting ( ), I think money is a pretty important factor given just how cheap 2013 twins have gotten. Corvettes are nice and pretty cheap to maintain AFAIK, but they are very big cars which I personally don't like.
Porsches are great out of the box, the interior is good enough, the sound is good, the car is pretty small and nimble. It sounds like you would be content to just buy and drive one. Now that said, I think you really want a 987.2 or 981 as the earlier ones are ...kind of garbage, and the only ones you'll get for 30k are very high mileage, and probably have significant wear on the seats, brakes, transmission, engine etc. If you buy a lower mileage twin (such as mine :P), you'll have much less car to start with. However, at half the price of a 90k mile Cayman, you would have a lot of money to just send the car to a shop and have them mod it for you, and it would take none of your time beyond buying the parts. The good things about the twins are: -A shitload of cargo space so you can drive it anywhere to do anything with it, and surprisingly usable rear seats -Better fuel economy on shorter trips due to smaller sump, smaller displacement, less weight. Faster warmup so you can step on it sooner. Caymans pull nearly as good mpg on the freeway once they're warmed up, but the oil takes forever to get up to temp because the sump is 10 quarts. It sucks because it takes like 20+ minutes for the oil temp to reach 160F, which is when I feel comfortable stepping on it. -A lot of choices for parts that you don't need to blow 10s of thousands on, though not as good as the Honda Civic or S2000 or Miata aftermarket obviously -Surprisingly reasonable power with a tune and exhaust Since you're not going to the track, the most cost effective thing you can do for more power would be to throw a Jackson Racing supercharger on and call it a day, but you probably aren't interested in the hassle. If you don't need that much power, just grab an OFT, and take it to a tuner. I was surprisingly happy with a custom throttle map I made and the OFT Stage 1 timing. These engines will put out basically about 220bhp if you do that plus a catback, which is not that bad. If you like bling you could buy the AP Racing brake kit or the 2017 brakes. Maybe some wheels if you like (Porsche wheels are monstrously expensive). Those would have the bonus of reducing your weight a little making the car faster. Probably not worth the effort. You could buy a headunit with Android Car for a few hundred and have someone install it for you, which would be a much better infotainment system than the garbage on a 987 Porsche. All of these things would take about 20 minutes to order online, and then <<1k in labor to pay a shop to install on your car. If it were me, and I were already very content with the FR-S from a test drive, this is what I would do. I know you said you're not interested in mods, but these are all stupid easy mods. Plus, if you aren't keeping the car for long, the FR-S/BRZ has probably hit an "elbow" in its depreciation curve due to the 2017 refresh, and it is probably in much better mechanical shape than a higher mileage older Porsche or Corvette, so you'll lose less money while you do own it. That way if you grow to like the car you can have more money to mod it, or if you decide you want to upgrade you have more money to upgrade. Last edited by serialk11r; 12-30-2016 at 06:46 AM. |
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Good lord. I tracked one of those this past April at the Auto Club Speedway, and it was probably the most fun I have had in a car. And I've also tracked a 458 and a Cayman R at that same track before. I need that car.
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