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Old 11-12-2016, 05:05 PM   #3333
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Max Prince of Road and Track just recently reviewed the 2017 BRZ Limited. Basically it has new shocks and Brembo brakes. Probably a little livelier than a 2016 and on the final lap might make up a foot or two on heavy braking.
Certainly. Nothing dramatic, but for those who most value straight up times, the suspension and brakes might pick up those two seconds.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:21 PM   #3334
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What is the point to compare a 2-seater roadster with a 4-seater coupe? Both cars are good in their own area.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:38 PM   #3335
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What is the point to compare a 2-seater roadster with a 4-seater coupe? Both cars are good in their own area.
Oh, I agree. But since the world insists on comparing the two anyway, I'd like to see what happens.
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:07 PM   #3336
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What is the point to compare a 2-seater roadster with a 4-seater coupe? Both cars are good in their own area.
Because the miata has been the status bearer for cheap fun cars for over a decade and that is not going to change any time soon.
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Old 11-13-2016, 09:42 AM   #3337
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Actually even Randy pobst liked the BrZ handling better , but ultimately he gave it to Miata in Motortrends head2head because it was faster and din have that power dip. His opinion might change with the 2017s
Actually his main reason for preferring the Miata (other than it being a convertible) was the car's light weight (about 450 lbs less than the twins), which for him made a significant difference in how it drove. He said the only other recent production car he'd driven with that same quality of lightness was the Alfa 4c, which weighs about the same as the Miata. He did prefer the BRZ's relative lack of roll in corners, but he favoured the Miata's "more balanced feel on the way into a corner". (See commentary starting at 18:18).

There is a price differential favoring the BRZ here - even with the PP added it's still cheaper than a Miata Club with Brembos and BBS by a few grand. Love to see a new H2H with a 2017 BRZ with the PP.

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At least he gives some specific feedback about what the PP adds to the car, and it's all good. We have seen very little on that to date.
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... id get the mx5 rf version and that would only be about 100kg or so lighter? ...
The RF top adds about 100 lbs of additional weight, bringing a Club version with manual transmission up to about 2432 lbs compared to a BRZ Limited at 2793 - about a 350 lb/160 kg difference.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:57 AM   #3340
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Finally announced in Australia but..

2017 Toyota 86 pricing (plus on-road costs)

GT manual – $30,790 (+$800)
GT auto – $33,090 (+$600)
GTS manual – $36,490 (+$500)
GTS auto – $38,790 (+$300)

BRZ manual – $32,990 (-$1230)
BRZ auto – $34,990 (-$1735)

Quite the decisions to be made, the BRZ is significantly cheaper.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:11 AM   #3341
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Wow! If I read it correctly, it means that the 2017 BRZ is even cheaper than the 2016MY?
Is it possible?
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:22 AM   #3342
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Wow! If I read it correctly, it means that the 2017 BRZ is even cheaper than the 2016MY?
Is it possible?
In Australia apparently it is.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:23 AM   #3343
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don't care. still a "Miata".
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Old 11-27-2016, 12:09 AM   #3344
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Finally announced in Australia but..

2017 Toyota 86 pricing (plus on-road costs)

GT manual – $30,790 (+$800)
GT auto – $33,090 (+$600)
GTS manual – $36,490 (+$500)
GTS auto – $38,790 (+$300)

BRZ manual – $32,990 (-$1230)
BRZ auto – $34,990 (-$1735)

Quite the decisions to be made, the BRZ is significantly cheaper.
Anyone know why the BRZ is so much cheaper? As far as I can tell the BRZ has everything the 86 GTS does with the exception of the leather seats, heated seats (which aren't exactly going to get used in Australia) and rear spoiler?

I was at a Toyota dealership and they said they aren't the same car, Toyota carries two models, Toyota has it's own QA processes (I'm sure Subaru's would be the same) and a different gearbox (and maybe something else I can't remember).

The first two of those are largely irrelevant, but I wasn't aware the gearbox was different. I would assume there can't be that much of a difference?

I'm looking at an auto 86 GTS (AU$43,081 drive away/on road) or an auto BRZ (AU$36,160) but can't see why there is so much of a price difference - $6,921 or 19%. I know there are less BRZs, but if anything that should mean they cost more than the 86s.

Talking to the Toyota dealership they seemed to give the impression they wouldn't be able to meet Subaru's price which makes me wonder why at those price points anyone would get an 86. Is there something I'm missing?

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It looks like, in Australia at least, the BRZ doesn't have an option for a proper rear spoiler, only the 'STI Boot Lip Spoiler (Crystal Black)'. Can anyone comment on why this would be the case when it looks to be available in other markets and was available on the 2016 model as an option.
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Old 11-27-2016, 03:38 AM   #3345
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Anyone know why the BRZ is so much cheaper? As far as I can tell the BRZ has everything the 86 GTS does with the exception of the leather seats, heated seats (which aren't exactly going to get used in Australia) and rear spoiler?

I was at a Toyota dealership and they said they aren't the same car, Toyota carries two models, Toyota has it's own QA processes (I'm sure Subaru's would be the same) and a different gearbox (and maybe something else I can't remember).

The first two of those are largely irrelevant, but I wasn't aware the gearbox was different. I would assume there can't be that much of a difference?

I'm looking at an auto 86 GTS (AU$43,081 drive away/on road) or an auto BRZ (AU$36,160) but can't see why there is so much of a price difference - $6,921 or 19%. I know there are less BRZs, but if anything that should mean they cost more than the 86s.

Talking to the Toyota dealership they seemed to give the impression they wouldn't be able to meet Subaru's price which makes me wonder why at those price points anyone would get an 86. Is there something I'm missing?

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It looks like, in Australia at least, the BRZ doesn't have an option for a proper rear spoiler, only the 'STI Boot Lip Spoiler (Crystal Black)'. Can anyone comment on why this would be the case when it looks to be available in other markets and was available on the 2016 model as an option.

I want to know this as well, the BRZ is a lot cheaper, with the only difference between the two being the front bumper, so it's up to preference on whether or not you want to pay up to $7k more for a Toyota badge.

However, i think after you choose some of the 'options' to include rear spoiler and the leather seats, the price is much closer at $40,812, about $2k cheaper. I haven't been to a Toyota dealer yet, but it does sound like marketing and advertising puff in that it's a 'different car' and it's own QA processes. I'm waiting to see the Blackline or TRD release before making my mind on which to get.
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Old 11-27-2016, 05:31 AM   #3346
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Because "Toyota", basically. If a typical Toyota shopper had taken an unchanged but T-badged FR-S for a drive, I think it would have been "nice car, way to noisy and crude though". It had to go upscale a bit, either real or perceived.

The 86 is a "nicer" car, I'm not sure it's "better". I dearly loved the FR-S, same with the 86 now.
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